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ORIGINAL: vincentML

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

Did I say they did? But since you brought it up, why don't you enlighten us all.

My post was in response to E3's assertion that the main reason for closing the border was drugs.
Then why did you ask me the question?

We have had an open border north and south for 230 years. The current hysteria over drugs and terrorists is a bogus attempt to hide our xenophobia.
You mean your xenophobia, because honestly, you really can't speak for anyone else

We are selectively obsessed with the southern border. Drugs and terrorists can presumably cross just as easily from the North. It is a much longer border. There is no demand for a fence there, however.
That because they don't grow good pot in the North duh.

 My conclusion is that drugs and terrorism are bogus issues.
Well the subject has been illegals moving over and getting jobs, so no I don't think the big stink right now is about drugs. Not sure about the terrorism part, I didn't even realize Mexico was know for its terrorists. Maybe you don't understand the differences between races and think everyone with dark skin is the same. It would explain why you keep referring to yourself as xenophobic..

I did not contest that Latinos are motivated by the need for jobs as well. I did not even mention the jobs issue. You brought it up with your comment on the Canadian living conditions. Why? Because you responded hastily and thoughtlessly?
No because you said "As Domiguy pointed out, all the anger is focused on the southern border, not the Canadian line. Why? Because the Latinos "are not like us." I was merely pointing out a logical reason for this.


Or you really have no answer to my principle statement? I will repeat it: America has a history of xenophobia. Many fear the cultural invasion of brown people, and use other issues to camoflage their real agenda.

America has a history of a lot of things, hopefully that is changing. Personally I think your projecting, but if it keeps you happy, knock your socks off.

If you wish to debate my point, all well and good. Please do so in a forthright manner without changing the subject of my post.

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I seriously doubt we would need the draft here, Jeff.
Does anyone else SEE the number of able bodied, healthy unemployed people we have in this country?
I mean, hello?
We can also use some of the millions of young strong men in prisons on minor charges {under 10 years for minor offences} that would be willing and gladly work for an early release.

It is very doable, the point is not in the doing, the point is, do we want to do it?

IMHO the "issue" has never been whether we could or could not build a fence, of fucking course we could.
The issue is do we want to build it, and why or why not, we don't want to build it.

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These are the only figures I could come up with, and they deal with Iraq, but it costs $390,000 to support one US soldier in Iraq or $1068 a day. As of Oct. 2009, total cost per month for operations in Iraq was $7.3 billion.

For FY 2004, it was estimated that the average US soldier NOT on combat deployment cost $112000 a year, that is to feed, clothe, house, train, and equip.

Now the border between the US and Mexico is, as previously stated, 1969 miles.

Let us estimate 25 men per mile on foot patrol, that totals 49,225 men and women. That is a cost of $5.5132 Billion dollars per year, and that is the cost of just the foot soldiers. For one shift, so four shifts would be 196000 men and women and cost a total of $22billion dollars.

Lets put a guard tower every two thousand feet, that is 5198 guard towers, each with four men, that is another 20,792 men, costing approxiamately $2.3 billion dollars a year. Again, one shift, so 83,168 men and women for a cost of $9.2 billion dollars for four shifts.

Now then there is the cost of the additional military installations along the border to house these men and the equipment that will be needed, detention facilities to hold captured illegal aliens, the new road network so these installations can be maintained and supplied.

Figure an installation to house a battalion every 20 miles, so you may as well use eminent domain and seize all the land along the border to a depth of say five miles, so that 9845 square miles of land that needs to be purchased to with more land needed around the bases established to house the troops.

Considering the scope of such a project, I do believe we may have found a way to end unemployment in the United States.

One more thing, we would probably need to reinstate the draft to cover the manpower needs both on the border and internationally.

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They came the same way as any other group... work visas that expired and they never went home. Makes me think the work visa program needs to be redesigned.

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Define "neocon"

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Define "neocon"

New conservatives or the militantly right wing republicans that seem hell bent on wanting the impossible and not raising taxes to pay for it, such as a 100% secure southern border.

neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush. with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.

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Define "neocon"

New conservatives or the militantly right wing republicans that seem hell bent on wanting the impossible and not raising taxes to pay for it, such as a 100% secure southern border.

neoconservatives are generally comfortable with a welfare state; and, while rhetorically supportive of free markets, they are willing to interfere for overriding social purposes.

The term "neoconservative" was the subject of increased media coverage during the presidency of George W. Bush. with particular focus on a perceived neoconservative influence on American foreign policy, as part of the Bush Doctrine.

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lol, another poster I love to read!
There are so many people posting these days that can debate and chat, without the 4th grade name calling and acting ugly.

I am moved to tears.

I am a sensitive soul, and mean people scare me.

The Chinese will certainly own us all soon, lock, stock and barrel.
Let's see how we fare under having to dance to their music.

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We should bring the troops home from Iraq/Afghanistan and invade 75 miles into Mexican territory and set up shop. This would force not only the Mexican Oligarchy but the people there to face up to the internal problems that are Mexico. There will be no change at the border no matter what we do unless the internal problems if Mexico are addressed.

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Jeff seriously, do you realize that we have millions of people in prisons for minor offences, often serving short prison sentences, that will be out in society in a few years anyway, that would volunteer to work on the wall?
Can you please tell me why we could not use some of the millions of men and women that are healthy, able bodied, and would gladly work for some time off of their minor prison sentences?

I see many prisoners out picking up trash, working with road crews, and "outside" of prison working on supervised work details all the time.
Given prison guards constantly monitoring them, what would be the problem here?

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Are you aware that there are area's in the United States, that has an unemployment rate of around 20%?

I seriously doubt we would have any "problem" finding guards to sit in the little guard towers/and or monitor the surveilance equipment.

I think at this point, you are searching hard and trying to create reasons why this wouldn't work.

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

JLF, that's a bargain!
Two years ago illegal aliens were costing us $93 Billion per year. This year I think that figure is $104 Billion!
And Soldiers and Marines don't do "shifts." They can stay for a month at a time then give them two weeks off or whatever and they're already being paid so they won't cost us anymore than they are now.
Hell, they can raise my taxes for that!

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Are you aware that there are area's in the United States, that has an unemployment rate of around 20%?

I seriously doubt we would have any "problem" finding guards to sit in the little guard towers/and or monitor the surveilance equipment.

I think at this point, you are searching hard and trying to create reasons why this wouldn't work.

Marini, when someone kills someone and it costs $500k to prosecute them that doesn't seem to be a problem does it?

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Then why did you ask me the question?

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Well the subject has been illegals moving over and getting jobs, so no I don't think the big stink right now is about drugs. Not sure about the terrorism part, I didn't even realize Mexico was know for its terrorists. Maybe you don't understand the differences between races and think everyone with dark skin is the same. It would explain why you keep referring to yourself as xenophobic..

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No because you said "As Domiguy pointed out, all the anger is focused on the southern border, not the Canadian line. Why? Because the Latinos "are not like us." I was merely pointing out a logical reason for this.

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ORIGINAL: Marini

Are you aware that there are area's in the United States, that has an unemployment rate of around 20%?

I seriously doubt we would have any "problem" finding guards to sit in the little guard towers/and or monitor the surveillance equipment.

Using all the modern technology that is available, it would hardly be comparable to the "Berlin Wall".


I think at this point, you are searching hard and trying to create reasons why this wouldn't work.