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submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:01:48 AM   
subgarfield


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Status: offline 		Find it amazing how many so called submissives top from the bottom, show disrespect and are anything but submissive. In recently reading various Mistress quickie texts on collarme and and to much lesser degree over the years on Maxfisch and other sites it seems there are a great many wankers and wannabe players. If one truly is not submissive or respectful why waste the time and resources of someone who is sincere.

A new Mistress had Her profile on collarme and deleted it after four days due to primarily a few idiotic posts, requests having nothing to do with what She was seeking and disrespect... only two of fourteen were of sincere nature. Vast majority She referred to as wankers and players. One post She followed up on She asked for a photo(face not required). To me such is a testing of the subs integrity and sincerity in addition of course to see if there is physical karma and the curiosity factor. Perhaps i am bias as for myself also i prefer a photo of Mistress before making that final commitment and have no qualms in what's good for the goose is good for the gander!

 The ranting, insinuations, insults and self justifications She described was amazing. Makes me glad i'm submissive as i have never experienced such nonsense nor disrespect from a Mistress.

I have always found Dommes to be respectful, not perfect but most often of excellentd character attributes and sincerity. Why can more so called subs not promote such values? Is it common especially for a Mistress posting for the first time to experience less than 5% sincere response rate with sincerity, integrity and reality of potential play or is the rate of return the same as junk mail... 2 - 5%.

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:06:46 AM   
unquenchable


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A question for you......

Do you really believe submissives should be submissive to everyone? 

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:11:17 AM   
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If one truly is not submissive or respectful why waste the time and resources of someone who is sincere.


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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:18:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subgarfield
One post She followed up on She asked for a photo(face not required). 


Why would she want a photo of someone without their face?

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:19:22 AM   
artglfr


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Status: offline 		I don't understand why you are ranting about submissives, you are one, you aren't getting these emails and if you think you are standing up for Dominants you are sadly mistaken they don't need you to stand up for them and will not find your attitude attractive.

the profile of yours I read is actually pretty positive sounding and as this is your second post I have to wonder what has happened to sour you so badly.

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:20:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Proprietrix, Very good point.

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:34:16 AM   
subgarfield


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Status: offline 		No absolutely not, however a submissive should in my opinion be respectful and show respect, also sincerity for some perhaps might prove to be a novel and interesting concept.

  

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:38:42 AM   
FangsNfeet


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Status: offline 		Since when did a Domme have to do it the subs way? I didn't see the change in the dictionary where submissive means taking controll and being in charge of people and situations. Gee wiz, no wonder why you aren't getting any. Most dommes want there men take it and not bitch and cry. Start doing things there way and you might get some results. Read the definition of submissive and start acting like it. Dominant people aren't here to please your whinny arse.

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:40:51 AM   
subgarfield


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No idea as i did nor ask, however i suspect all She required was a general idea of physical attributes, also whereas one wanting privacy or anomity my have reservations with a facial they perhaps may have fewer reservations in forwarding a photo without such details. There are numerous examples where unexpected things have happened with the internet and photos freely exchanged in good faith. Again, as i did not ask, i'm simply speculating.

The question for me is why if one plans on potentially meeting/serving someone why would they have reservations, complaint and attitude... why trash talk someone making such request, especially if the face is blurred or not included.

< Message edited by subgarfield -- 4/18/2006 7:06:38 AM >

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:48:27 AM   
unquenchable


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Status: offline 		Trash talk is never good, unless one is also receiving it.

No, i do not believe i need to show respect to everyone, but courtesy, sure unless they challenge that too.

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:53:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subgarfield

i suspect all She required was a general idea of physical attributes, ..........................

why trash talk someone making such request, especially if the face is blurred or not included.



So this Domme wasn't as interested in seeing a face or getting the whole picture as she was in seeing cock pics, ass pics, pec pics, etc ?

She sounds like the wanker/player to me.

edited to add: This Domme was on 4 days and deleted. Odd as it may sound, there are people out there who aren't comfy sending a pic to just anyone and want to at least have a few
" get to know you a bit" interactions before sending a pic. A big ol red flag would go up in my world if a Dominat requested a pic with a disclaimer that face could be blanked out. < wank, wank, wank>

                   mbmbn

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:54:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subgarfield

No absolutely not, however a submissive should in my opinion be respectful and show respect, also sincerity for some perhaps might prove to be a novel and interesting concept.

 


The same can be said for so called doms that disrespect a slave/sub's profile that clearly states that all emails be sent to their Sir or Ma'am.........have a feeling this thread belongs in the complaint department

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 6:58:25 AM   
subgarfield


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Although it is only my second post here i have many posts on Maxfisch and have read of this situation fairly often over time. As such it not just a sudden inspiration but rather a long simmering issue with me. Also it is not that I'm standing up for dominants rather i am questioning antics of submissives. On collarme it seems more prevelant as i read the quickie notes, i suppose in having a ongoing conversation with this particular newbie it motivated me to openly question rather than reservedly wonder.

Appreciate you positive comment as to my character and profile, you are indeed with insight.

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 7:02:54 AM   
subgarfield


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Status: offline 		FangsNfeet,

You are so off the mark... actually you seem to portray the traits i was commenting to.

subgarfield


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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 7:04:12 AM   
subgarfield


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Exactly, i agree wholeheartily.

subgarfield

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 7:09:03 AM   
subgarfield


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Status: offline 		maybemaybenot,

Interesting and misguided conclusions you've jumped to. In future i shall type much slower so you have time to grasp the actual context.

subgarfield

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 7:28:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: subgarfield

maybemaybenot,

Interesting and misguided conclusions you've jumped to. In future i shall type much slower so you have time to grasp the actual context.

subgarfield


    you wrote originally about general disrespect shown by subs (to paraphrase) and i was planning to agree with you  - i have seen it myself many times in chat, on the boards, etc - until i read this post....
    are you only respectful to people who agree with you?

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 7:30:42 AM   
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In future i shall type much slower so you have time to grasp the actual context.

And where is the respect you advocate so sincerly in this post, may I ask?

And to answer your OP...because they are wannbe wankers, what else?

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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 7:36:31 AM   
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RE: submissives ~ not submissive - 4/18/2006 7:37:47 AM   
maybemaybenot


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quote:

subgarfield
FangsNfeet,

You are so off the mark... actually you seem to portray the traits i was commenting to.



quote:

subgarfield
maybemaybenot,

Interesting and misguided conclusions you've jumped to. In future i shall type much slower so you havve time to grasp the actual context


contrasted with:

quote:

subgarfield
however a submissive should in my opinion be respectful and show respect, also sincerity for some perhaps might prove to be a novel and interesting concept.



Subgarfield:

This is a message board, I took the information you provided about this Domme's picture requests and gave you my opinion of what I thought.
It's not personal, it's not a conclusion I expect anyone else to form, it's MY opinion. Take it or leave it.
I am not offended by your remark to me, nor do I neccesarily think you are being what you claim to be complaining about. But when you start off talking about respecting others and certain behaviors and then within an hour call people down for voicing their opinion to your *invitation*, it "looks" suspect. And for the record, I am not saying you are suspect.

Your friend may be the greatest Domme ever to have taken breath, I have no idea. I only have a snipit of what you reported and that is what info I based my post on.

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