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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 6:17:58 AM   
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Hello Iron Bear,
Your point, as well as Focus' are on target.  However, I disagree with you about the fellow in the OP.  The issue isn't whether or not ED is involved.  To *me* the issue is that she wants to be touched, and he's not touching her.  It's a nonsexual touching she's talking about from a later post. 

I've dated a wonderful man with ED.  Great guy, great lover even.  He loved touching me.  All the time.  I loved it too.  The ED was not an issue because, like you, he discussed it with me pretty much from the very beginning.  If it *is* an issue for the fellow, his *not* discussing it when she clearly wants more (and hopefully has voiced that - but really who knows?) is a sign that there is something else missing.  He would need to manage his own issues around this.  A man who really wants to be with a woman will bite the bullet and deal with the issues. 


It is a shame that we have no real idea if ED has anything to do with the OP.  We have the beginnings of an interesting exchange between how men and women truly view and deal with the effects of ED.

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 7:13:22 AM   
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OP..if you have never read the Book or watched the off shoot movie from it...."He's just not that into you" now would be a good time.

Telling stuff.



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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 7:26:54 AM   
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A man I was involved with complained of ED...he's 49 years old.  Men put so much pressure on themselves to perform and please; somewhere along the line they have to accept they're not 18 anymore and can't perform that way.  The pharmaceutical industry with their damn viagra commercials isn't helping either.  And honestly, I'm 48 and don't want to be pounded like a jackrabbit every time I have sex for the entire time we're having sex.  He "compensated" with touching, teasing, fantastic oral, spanking etc etc...sex with him was the best I'd ever had with anyone, but to convince him of that was another story.  I gave everything I had to please him in return but it never seemed to be enough.  Very sad. 

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 10:06:46 AM   
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Fast reply:

Never ask others why a man won't do something. Ask him point blank.

Men do whatever they want, when they want, how they want when it comes to sex and touching.

If there is a medical reason (which I did not even consider since the OP mentioned non sexual cuddling) then that is another thing to discuss.

But in general in my experience, if a man wants you, he will crawl through broken glass to touch you.

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 11:19:36 AM   
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Fast reply:

Never ask others why a man won't do something. Ask him point blank.

Men do whatever they want, when they want, how they want when it comes to sex and touching.

If there is a medical reason (which I did not even consider since the OP mentioned non sexual cuddling) then that is another thing to discuss.

But in general in my experience, if a man wants you, he will crawl through broken glass to touch you.



It's true. Sexyred is a GENIUS!

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 11:29:18 AM   
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/Crawls through broken glass/
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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 11:36:57 AM   
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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 5:14:33 PM   
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Never ask others why a man won't do something. Ask him point blank.

Men do whatever they want, when they want, how they want when it comes to sex and touching.

If there is a medical reason (which I did not even consider since the OP mentioned non sexual cuddling) then that is another thing to discuss.

But in general in my experience, if a man wants you, he will crawl through broken glass to touch you.


This.

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 5:46:43 PM   
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I vote with Animus on this one. Too many of us - and I include myself in this - have made the mistake of seeing the red flag, but instead of it meaning STOP, like our gut tells us to do, we have some wiring that instead says "What's the problem and how can I fix it?"

As Animus says, this is not your problem and you cannot fix it. What his behavior is telling you is that he is physically and emotionally unavailable. This red flag means STOP.

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 6:04:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Firebirdseeking

I vote with Animus on this one. Too many of us - and I include myself in this - have made the mistake of seeing the red flag, but instead of it meaning STOP, like our gut tells us to do, we have some wiring that instead says "What's the problem and how can I fix it?"

As Animus says, this is not your problem and you cannot fix it. What his behavior is telling you is that he is physically and emotionally unavailable. This red flag means STOP.


Quoted for Truth.

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 6:07:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sexyred1

Fast reply:

But in general in my experience, if a man wants you, he will crawl through broken glass to touch you.



Ideas like this are like the school of thought that "If he only loved me more, he would do x". Having unrealistic expectations of men, doesn't make them different than they are. It makes you miserable. I have no expectation of anyone ever crawling through broken glass to touch me, why would that EVER make sense?

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 6:20:51 PM   
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Ideas like this are like the school of thought that "If he only loved me more, he would do x". Having unrealistic expectations of men, doesn't make them different than they are. It makes you miserable. I have no expectation of anyone ever crawling through broken glass to touch me, why would that EVER make sense?


I didn't read it that way at all. Nor have I encountered a man that was sincerely interested in being involved (or physically intimate) that was shy in his expression. The only time I've seen the reverse were instances where the man pretended to be my friend to mask his real intent.

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 6:41:03 PM   
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Ideas like this are like the school of thought that "If he only loved me more, he would do x". Having unrealistic expectations of men, doesn't make them different than they are. It makes you miserable.

I would extend that to either gender and our own self. 

quote:

I have no expectation of anyone ever crawling through broken glass to touch me, why would that EVER make sense?


It makes a good metaphor for use in poetry, songs, romance novels, opera, and mythology to show great suffering.  This of course creates the ideal that these types of things are normal and to be expected.   

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 7:02:06 PM   
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But in general in my experience, if a man wants you, he will crawl through broken glass to touch you.


For myself, I would and did face the fiercest of adversarial conditions in order to simply touch the lady I desired. This remains true for myself. What is the one you desire not worth fighting through? The following song that was significant between myself and my beloved companion comes to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0WDS-EQoIM

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 7:06:07 PM   
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It's Howard Hughes isn't it? I knew he was alive somewhere.

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 7:21:09 PM   
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I will do certain things to touch the gal, maybe go as far as plying her with booze. I would never crawl through broken glass for someone that I am just getting to know and understand.

Now if I am 100% dedicated then that is something different altogether.

Is it really sharp glass or maybe kind of rounded off from years in the ocean?

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 7:27:35 PM   
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But in general in my experience, if a man wants you, he will crawl through broken glass to touch you.


For myself, I would and did face the fiercest of adversarial conditions in order to simply touch the lady I desired. This remains true for myself. What is the one you desire not worth fighting through? The following song that was significant between myself and my beloved companion comes to mind. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0WDS-EQoIM
Damn Zevar, where do you get all this great perspective?

I have pretty much done this myself when it was worth doing, and I would easily do so again. The good ones are worth working your ass off for.


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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 7:28:26 PM   
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Is it really sharp glass or maybe kind of rounded off from years in the ocean?


Pussy

< Message edited by laurell3 -- 7/31/2010 7:29:55 PM >


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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 8:08:31 PM   
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I would walk through a field of wheat.

Wheat can be scratchy you know.

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RE: Hi...if Master won't touch you? - 7/31/2010 8:09:56 PM   
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I would roll around in marshmallow fluff for him...

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