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When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 7:23:46 AM

DarkSteven

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This is something that has bothered me for a while.

As a D type, I consider myself responsible for my sub. So my thoughts on someone who asks his or her sub to do something illegal... My opinion of Mickey Rourke's Dom in 9-1/2 Weeks was not high, but after he ordered Kim Basinger to shoplift, it went to zero. I had a good friend who exposed herself because her Dom told her to (and the twit had to pay her fine).

Have any of you experienced a D type that gets a kick from ordering a sub/slave to break the law?

(Disclaimer - I DID once get a sub with a truck to help me dump some unwanted carpet rolls at a Home Depot dumpster after hours... but that was about dumping the stuff, not about thrillseeking)

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 7:30:43 AM

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No, I have not, but the way that you introduced this subject it is sure to elicit responses from those who haven't or those who are no longer with a dom that ordered them to do such a thing

I did not know this was a huge lifestyle problem

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 7:43:47 AM

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When Master and I set our limits. We don't do anything that would affect our jobs, our families or our health. I really enjoy sex in public, however the consequences or Master getting caught affect his job. Therefore it's something that we have to make compromises on. We don't just say hey let's go behind that tree right there and play like bunnies.
There are plenty of other ways for me to show submission and devotion to Him WITHOUT breaking laws.

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(Disclaimer - I DID once get a sub with a truck to help me dump some unwanted carpet rolls at a Home Depot dumpster after hours... but that was about dumping the stuff, not about thrillseeking)

I would have like to have witnessed that! hahaha

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 7:52:54 AM

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No, I have not run into that situation. If he's not looking out for his, mine, (read our) well-being, then that would be the time I would have to step back evaluate the relationship. There are too many things to lose for the "thrill" of doing something that breaks the law.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 7:53:56 AM

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As someone who has a 'morality clause' in her job contract, even being arrested and/or cautioned could lose me not just my job but my career. So one of my hard limits is anything that could lose me my job.

Sometimes I talk to guys who do the "you will do everything I say, regardless of its legality" line. I just wish them well with their continuing search and move on to find someone more compatible.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 7:56:04 AM

solestria

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That would be a hard limit for me in most cases (though I might have gone with the Home depot thing because it makes sense to me). I have a career to think about and no desire to get arrested, so this would be pretty clear in our negotiations. If he went against that anyway, I'd refuse to cooperate on that thing, and any punishment he might try to dole out would have my questioning his commitment to me and our relationship.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 7:57:13 AM

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I know someone who had their submissive do something that was illegal but I know them well enough to know that it had been well thought out so the probabilities of being caught were next to nil. That dominant didn't want to lose their job either!

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 7:58:05 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

This is something that has bothered me for a while.

As a D type, I consider myself responsible for my sub. So my thoughts on someone who asks his or her sub to do something illegal... My opinion of Mickey Rourke's Dom in 9-1/2 Weeks was not high, but after he ordered Kim Basinger to shoplift, it went to zero. I had a good friend who exposed herself because her Dom told her to (and the twit had to pay her fine).

Have any of you experienced a D type that gets a kick from ordering a sub/slave to break the law?

(Disclaimer - I DID once get a sub with a truck to help me dump some unwanted carpet rolls at a Home Depot dumpster after hours... but that was about dumping the stuff, not about thrillseeking)

Sure, all the time. BDSM is illegal here

Which makes it a bit easier to understand why some people do this. If they see the line as already being crossed, they may not see the distinction with other activites.

Other than BDSM activities, which is just consensual sex to me, illegal activities are a hard limit for me. I have had requests to do things such as exposing myself in public, however, I've never had a problem with them not accepting that it is not something I will ever engage in. I wouldn't have helped you dump the carpet either by the way. For me the distinction of whether it's sexual or not isn't the issue. Them asking me to do something that would jeopardize me is.

< Message edited by laurell3 -- 7/31/2010 8:15:51 AM >

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 8:05:26 AM

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If you live in the States and participate in BDSM activities, chances are you're already doing something illegal, but I'm guessing that this isn't about things like that -- rather, is about those activities that could be considered "criminal"... theft, public indecency, etc.

I've had servants in our household who were trained as bodyguards. They were instructed to do whatever they had to to keep our family members safe, up to and including bodily harm. When off our property, those incidents can be considered "assualt/battery", and yet, we have people whose job it is to do such. In that sense, yes, I've asked those who serve us to do something that could be considered 'illicit'.

With that being said, I think that it is irresponsible to put one's servants into a position where, in order to be obedient, they must defy the laws of the land. To me, it shows a lack of maturity to intentionally put those in service to one into positions that could jeopardize both that person's reputation in the community and, in many cases, one's own reputation as well. To me, it also shows a lack of self-restraint that I find... problematic. I would not continue an association with someone whom I discovered to be a thrill-seeker who would intentionally put those who yielded to hir into danger just to say that xhe did or to prove that xhe could, or for no better reason that the adrenaline rush of doing it.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 8:09:04 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

Have any of you experienced a D type that gets a kick from ordering a sub/slave to break the law?

Nope. I'd kick him to the curb yesterday. Seriously.

I don't view this situation as one-sided. I think both are morally compromised and he isn't forcing her at all. He is the reason/excuse that's utilized for the behavior that takes place.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 8:10:58 AM

kallisto

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CallaFirestormBW

If you live in the States and participate in BDSM activities, chances are you're already doing something illegal, but I'm guessing that this isn't about things like that -- rather, is about those activities that could be considered "criminal"... theft, public indecency, etc.

Calla

That's how I took the question. If you live in GA, doing anything on a cell phone other than talking is now breaking the law. Ride across the state line into SC and you can text and email on the cell phone all day long. (Off topic, I know, but just explaining that I took the question the way Calla did.)

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 8:20:19 AM

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Unless you count Valyraen going "Come on, we could be there already" and encouraging me to speed....I can't say I've encountered this. Myself, I very much avoid anything that could get me in trouble with the nice police officers. So any order that involves me breaking the law would be met with disbelief and probably wouldn't be obeyed.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 8:24:36 AM

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My thoughts on this very much reflect Calla's. Our whole situation is illegal. That goes from the play that we enjoy even down to just being poly, if it comes to that. Being who we are, we have additional concerns than most folks. While there are others out there who may have some type of morality clause in their contracts for employment, we're in one of those situations where uncle 'employer' could literally do worse than a dismissal.

As for criminal, that's actually looking at a double whammy for us, so it's an area that I'm very cautious of. At times, I tend to think that I'm more over protective of the situation than either of them are. There are risks that I'm not willing to take.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 8:39:03 AM

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It's happened to a friend---I found this out AFTER the fact, sadly---he wanted her to go offer blow jobs to strangers in a porn shop parking lot. So... prostitution arrest? But since he ran drugs and hookers in the 70's-80's, maybe to him that was no big deal!!

I can see the "excitement" of doing something where you just might get SEEN, but it's never a good day to be arrested.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 8:46:32 AM

Chrisincuffs

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quote:

he wanted her to go offer blow jobs to strangers in a porn shop parking lot.

Yikes! I thank my lucky stars Master would never find any fun in that! Skanky!

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 8:58:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
he wanted her to go offer blow jobs to strangers in a porn shop parking lot.

I take it he also wanted to give her an STD.

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 9:18:19 AM

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I am, for the most part, a very sensible and reasonable woman, but I have to admit that there is one thing that I would be willing to do, even though I know it could be considered illegal. I'm aware that this may not sit well with many of you, but it is an honest admission. Perhaps its a good thing that He is more reasonable than I. (sigh)

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 9:28:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: jujubeeMB

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
he wanted her to go offer blow jobs to strangers in a porn shop parking lot.

I take it he also wanted to give her an STD.

I imagine you are very good shape from jumping to conclusions.

http://www.medhelp.org/posts/STDs/Chances-of-acquiring-a-communicable-STD/show/247440

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 9:34:07 AM

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I've been asked to do illegal things all the time, and I mean things outside the context of BDSM in general being in a legal gray area. Everything from indecent exposure to insurance fraud, burglary to murder. How serious the people asking for some of these things were is another matter, but it seems for a significant chunk of dominants how far a sub is willing to go for them proves how "real" they are.

Suffice to say, I am clearly not a "real" sub by many folk's standards, and that's just fine with me. I have this terrible thing called standards that just gets in the way of living happily ever after in prison because some douche ordered me to rob a gas station...

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RE: When the s type is told to do something illegal. - 7/31/2010 9:48:59 AM

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Anyone who would consider doing something illegal because a Dom insisted is just stupid.

This goes along with those who believe in mindless submission, doing whatever is asked with no thought as to the outcome, just to prove how submissive they are.

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