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ORIGINAL: JoJohannsson

* At the top of the message, before the text you can usually read are the email headers. Information added by the stations that handled the email and by the sending mail server. One line will be something like

Received: from [123.123.123.123] by web123456.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:28:14 PDT

or

X-Originating-IP: [123.123.123.123]

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

But Lockit, wouldn't you agree that sometimes people like to make it more difficult because it goes along with their thinking that everything about this must be "different" or "special"?

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ORIGINAL: Lockit

LOL... so scammer's and fakes wouldn't pay to scam and fake their way to bigger things? Even scammers, fakes and liars must invest a lil something. Sure, some of the numbers might go down, but there shouldn't be any false assurances or safe feelings that we have been protected because the site charges to join. lol

I'm an adult, I can fend for myself and I don't need to be charged something so someone else can better my chances of meeting less bad guys. That would cut into my Star Bucks money and I still wouldn't be any safer. I'll sip my Star Bucks and take my chances. lol

PS... I love how everyone knows just how to run this site and yet, they have no site and no intentions of starting one. Kind of like someone never being a parent and telling parents how to parent. lol

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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Dragon, I agree, Collarme should charge $10 or $15 per month just to keep out a lot of the phoneys and tv's on the trol.
That way I wouldn't be getting 6-8 messages per week from "Ghana" from women wanting to "be your slave for life if you'll only send me $1,000 to relocate" and tv's who want me to tell them "what I'll do to them if they're naughty."
A monthly fee would keep out a lot of those assholes.

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ORIGINAL: porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: JoJohannsson

* At the top of the message, before the text you can usually read are the email headers. Information added by the stations that handled the email and by the sending mail server. One line will be something like

Received: from [123.123.123.123] by web123456.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 31 Jul 2010 05:28:14 PDT

or

X-Originating-IP: [123.123.123.123]

This is ONLY helpful if the sender is using an email client that displays the originating IP. Gmail and Hotmail intentionally suppress the details to protect their users.

And don't forget the programs that maintain anonymity The details are intentionally falsified and you'd need access to some good 'stuff' to untangle it.

~porcelaine

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ORIGINAL: DragonNphoenix

Ah intellectual discourse! Communication. Such a wonderful Tool!!

"Sometimes you Just have to say ' WHAT THE FUCK!! ya know'"

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

Can't you ignore the scammers?  I ignore a lot of idiot doms, it's not that difficult.

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ORIGINAL: JoJohannsson

Hi everyone.

This is my first post after saying hello in "Introduce Yourself". I didn't find an appropriate forum so decided to put it in off topic. If there is any other forum better suited, please move it there.


I guess anybody on here has realised there are (sadly) quite a few profiles on CM that do not represent the real people behind them but are anything from fake to scammer. What do you experienced CMers do to find out the false ones early in communications?

I just found (silly me might have had THIS idea much earlier ;-) that real emails may help you to find out if - as in 2 cases for me - the sender of the emails is on a totally different continent (!) than they claim to be! I was in discussion with two "female subs" both claiming to be from the UK. Actually, a quick WHOIS search told me that the IP address noted as originating address in the email headers (view email source in your email client, will usually not be possible in web mail services), were actually registered with "The African Internet Numbers Registry" (org: ORG-AFNC1-RIPE). This means that, obviously, the "subs" are NOT in the UK as they claim but very probably somewhere in Africa.

Now my questions to YOU:
* Do you have any technical things or verification methods or tricks to find out if your new online aquaintance is real?
* Do you know of any sources on the internet that help you by providing technical help or info or other stuff to find out if you are talking to a real person, not a fake?
* What if you found out (for sure) that your aquaintance is obviously sailing under a false flag? Do you report the profile?

Cheers, Jo

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

If people were reasonable and did not over-invest before getting to know people, much less before meeting them, there would not be such an issue of hope being ruined.  If someone sends me messages that do not meet my predetermined parameters, I simply choose to ignore it.

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

If people were reasonable and did not over-invest before getting to know people, much less before meeting them, there would not be such an issue of hope being ruined.  If someone sends me messages that do not meet my predetermined parameters, I simply choose to ignore it.

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ORIGINAL: CynthiaWVirginia

I call at random times to see if another female answers,

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I think they probably do not have a life outside of the internet.

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ORIGINAL: JoJohannsson

@DragonNphoenix:

* requesting a pic with my name written on the sub or a piece of paper (or as someone else suggests a local paper) - good idea. I have tried that, but how simple is it to fake that (i.e. find a suitable image on the web, edit in the required text on a board (easy to erase the previous text, I guess?

But of course you have a point: I have had cases where the aquaintance keeps claiming that a) the camera is broken b) no webcam on the pc c) no way to lend a camera for a shooting etc. pp.

* asking for a reference: I like that one much. A mentor or fellow BDSM follower/fellow sub to should be possible to find - except where the aquaintance has previously stated (may be even in the profile) that he/she is new to the lifestyle and has no experience yet.

* phone numbers: good point. I actually prefer asking for a phone number to pics or webcam for verification because it gives both parties some remaining privacy (you never know what some virtual aquaintance will do with your pics/vids).

Actually, I would well understand if a sub was reluctant to hand over pics early in the communication - she cannot know who I am (I might be a fake after all or what I might do with the pics. So, a phone call might be less risky for her, too.

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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

My phone number is   555-1234.

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ORIGINAL: wittynamehere

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ORIGINAL: JoJohannsson

@DragonNphoenix:

* requesting a pic with my name written on the sub or a piece of paper (or as someone else suggests a local paper) - good idea. I have tried that, but how simple is it to fake that (i.e. find a suitable image on the web, edit in the required text on a board (easy to erase the previous text, I guess?

But of course you have a point: I have had cases where the aquaintance keeps claiming that a) the camera is broken b) no webcam on the pc c) no way to lend a camera for a shooting etc. pp.

* asking for a reference: I like that one much. A mentor or fellow BDSM follower/fellow sub to should be possible to find - except where the aquaintance has previously stated (may be even in the profile) that he/she is new to the lifestyle and has no experience yet.

* phone numbers: good point. I actually prefer asking for a phone number to pics or webcam for verification because it gives both parties some remaining privacy (you never know what some virtual aquaintance will do with your pics/vids).

Actually, I would well understand if a sub was reluctant to hand over pics early in the communication - she cannot know who I am (I might be a fake after all or what I might do with the pics. So, a phone call might be less risky for her, too.

The first one (getting them to write their name) would be near impossible to fake, if their name is written on something textured or contoured. I don't know anyone who can fake that, and I know some good image editors. Name across tits, for example. If it's anything but very low res, it should be proof indeed.

The reference one isn't good. I wouldn't be able to give a single reference, despite having been involved online and offline for 10+ years. Your assumptions of why that may be are probably incorrect, but I won't go into them here. I'm not a scammer or "fake".

You'd give your phone number before a photo? Hmmm. A phone number can be abused. Prank calls, abusive texts, reverse lookups, etc.

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

If people were reasonable and did not over-invest before getting to know people, much less before meeting them, there would not be such an issue of hope being ruined.  If someone sends me messages that do not meet my predetermined parameters, I simply choose to ignore it.