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joether -> RE: Proposition C in Missouri (8/5/2010 11:41:20 AM)
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: joether
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Before: Healthy 25 yo pays nothing now, average 40 year old pays $9,000 a year, his true premium.
After: Healthy 25 yo is forced to pay $3,000 a year when his true premium would be $1,000. 40 year olds premium goes down to $8,000 a year.
Result: Total over charging of $1,000, plus a $1,000 subsidy for the 40 year, both paid for by the 25 yo.
Shell game that has done nothing to improve health care.
Yes, if only the health care system was so.....simple. You would be correct. Unfortunately, it is not simple. Since, now:
A) That 25 year old, could opt out of health coverage all together by paying $750/year.
B) Could be paid for under their parent's health insurance for another year, and pay.....(drum roll)....NOTHING!
C) Third, if that 25 year old, works full time with a company, that has a health care plan. He himself, wouldn't pay for it (but would still pay co-pays).
D) Or last, the 25 year old, could pay a $3000/year health insurance, and not bother to look around for any alternatives (which exists in every state of the Union).
And your numbers, are actually incorrect as well, but that is a minor issue. I think 'A-D' better explain the improvements to the health care system. And yes, it could be better then it is now, no doubt about that.
I said simple example...substitute a 30 year old and most of your bullshit goes away.
Simple fact for a simple mind: There is nothing in Obamacare that improves the health care system. It is an insurance bill that will do nothing for overall health.
The problem you fail to realize is, the health care problem *ISNT* simple. To reduce it down, would be like saying a triple-by-pass surgery operation is just like setting a broken arm. The two are a world apart. The only sort of people that wouldn't know the difference, are the ignorant and uneducated.
Right now, that is what alot of conservatives seem to be at the moment. They couldn't understand the health care reform. What was in it, what is not in it, nor understand the lies (open and subtle) from Fox News. I chatted with folks at one rally about it. They actually did not bother to read what the bill would have in it or not. They said, they didn't have the time to read it, BUT, were hanging at a rally for it, for ten hours (took me only three hours to read it). What these people said to me, was simple: they are lazy, ignorant, and all together useless citizens.
Sure, lets redo it, and put a '30 year old' in to the mix, instead of a 25 year old:
A) Would still be correct
B) Since they are now over the age of 26, under the law, could not use their parent's health insurance
C) Would still be correct
D) Would still be correct
So if you count, 1/4, as "most of your bullshit goes away", I think you should go back to 2nd grade, and re-learn your fractions. As, 'Most', would be a number HIGHER, then 2/4ths (or 1/2). So no, my arguement isn't bullshit.
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Simple fact for a simple mind: There is nothing in Obamacare that improves the health care system. It is an insurance bill that will do nothing for overall health.
You can thank your conservative Republicans buddies, for screwing around with a good system. The original idea, was pretty damn good for America. Then, Republicans (who are selfish and greedy), wanted to fight it every step of the way. Big or small. Make it, the 'President's Waterloo'. They tried EVERYTHING, in the book, to stop it. And FAILED! But, they did manage to hack away alot of good thngs, that would have done good for the citizens of the nation.
So yes, if your bitchy about it....blame the correct people: Republican Party.
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