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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 11:39:59 AM

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I have an effective system for raising my kids, which includes punishing them when necessary. That doesn't mean that I like having to punish them in the least. On the contrary, it signifies failure on their part and perhaps on mine, depending on the situation. For me to enjoy correcting them would be tantamount to me enjoying their failures. How can anyone be like that? It’s just disturbing.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 11:51:20 AM

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My definition of punishment is an act or order from a Master designed to correct behavior from the slave. In an ideal situation, the slave is aware of exactly what and why before submitting to the punishment, and it is designed carefully and thoughtfully to fit the crime and get at the root of what caused the bad behavior in the first place. No one can hurt Masters quite like slaves can, so it's hard for me to understand how, from that frame of mind, any enjoyment could be taken. There's a clear emotional line, if it's muddy I'd feel completely unsafe and I would no longer submit.

Having said that, it is very possible for something that begins as a punishment to morph into something else. Say I'm slapped for failing in some preventable way, then my bright red face looks all cute and hungry for more...There'd be a completely awful look on his face for the first one, and I would know it was coming and why, maybe even kneel for it. But his breathing, demeanor, and look would be different on the second blow, and it would come with a caress, and I'd know the punishment was over and it was time for love. The best sex ever is make-up sex.

If he enjoyed the punishing part, it would be horrible...a total violation of trust, because he no longer has MY best interest at heart, he only has his own immediate jollies in mind and damn the consequences...yeah, not something I'd recover from easily.

In my mind, a Master CARES enough for his slave to put this much effort into improving the relationship, that's his part, and the slave cares enough about the master to endure it. For me, if I know I've hurt someone, it's nearly impossible to punish me more than I already punish myself. In fact, some sort of remittance is often the only way I can move past my own mistakes. It is possible for a Master to be completely over the transgression, but punish the slave as a favor so that (s)he can move on too.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 11:53:28 AM

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I'm pretty sure the original poster meant play-punishment that brought the submissive person "some form of enjoyment".

Some people only know the fun type of punishment. The term is used that way in all types of stories and fantasies people have. :P

But, I guess it's good to point out the difference.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 12:30:20 PM

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I'm pretty sure the original poster meant play-punishment that brought the submissive person "some form of enjoyment".

I do believe the common argot for that is "funishment"--something which can be quite entertaining now and again (I find it quickly tends towards the mundane and repetitious, but that much is strictly a matter of personal taste).

To refer to it as actual punishment is simply sloppy.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 12:56:40 PM

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This is not a snark. Could you take a moment and respond to my quesiton?

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 1:23:23 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

This is not a snark. Could you take a moment and respond to my quesiton?

Emotions are. In this discussion they are also irrelevant.

Right and wrong are absolutes. There is right, and there is wrong. Abuse falls in the category of "wrong". Celebrating the failings of others likewise falls in the category of "wrong". Decent human beings aspire to what is right and scorn what is wrong.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 2:21:22 PM

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Lucky you to be able to see the world in such a simplistic way.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 2:33:30 PM

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To refer to it as actual punishment is simply sloppy.

Point taken, but "funishment" is such a silly word when roleplaying. That's why I like "play-punishment". Could you imagine:

"Naughty girl, how dare you steal my sunglasses? I'm going to funnish you!"
"HAHAHHAHhAH..."

Fail.

I'll appeal to your logic with my advice, texangael:
People are going to use this word 'punishment' for both meanings interchangeably and you're going to have to continue to argue with them to get your point through. (Which sucks.)

It's similiar to the words 'narcissist' and 'anarchist' - two somewhat-related meanings (one of which identifies morally objectionable behaviour).

Words like this are poison when trying to construct an argument, because they provide a "red herring" for anyone wishing to derail your train of thought with irrelevance, while claiming they are still referring to the same meaning. Often, they will keep switching meanings while attacking your argument. (Dirty bastards.)

But if you absolutely HAVE to talk about the anarchist movement in Spain before the Spanish civil war, I recommend re-naming it the "Pink Popsicle" movement before starting so that your argument cannot be hijacked by people speaking of chaos and destruction.

I have a solution: renaming punishment either 'funishment' or 'disciplinary punishment' constantly. I highly recommend you use the second term for your purposes, especially with illogical and chaotic people like me who don't believe in absolutes.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 2:41:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: texangael

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

This is not a snark. Could you take a moment and respond to my quesiton?

Emotions are. In this discussion they are also irrelevant.

Right and wrong are absolutes. There is right, and there is wrong. Abuse falls in the category of "wrong". Celebrating the failings of others likewise falls in the category of "wrong". Decent human beings aspire to what is right and scorn what is wrong.

In your opinion.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 2:48:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: CeriseNin

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ORIGINAL: texangael

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

This is not a snark. Could you take a moment and respond to my quesiton?

Emotions are. In this discussion they are also irrelevant.

Right and wrong are absolutes. There is right, and there is wrong. Abuse falls in the category of "wrong". Celebrating the failings of others likewise falls in the category of "wrong". Decent human beings aspire to what is right and scorn what is wrong.

In your opinion.

In fact.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 2:50:31 PM

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I have a solution: renaming punishment either 'funishment' or 'disciplinary punishment' constantly. I highly recommend you use the second term for your purposes, especially with illogical and chaotic people like me who don't believe in absolutes.

I have a better solution. Rely on a dictionary and put aside the Humpty-Dumpty approach to language.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 3:33:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: texangael

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ORIGINAL: CeriseNin

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ORIGINAL: texangael

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

This is not a snark. Could you take a moment and respond to my quesiton?

Emotions are. In this discussion they are also irrelevant.

Right and wrong are absolutes. There is right, and there is wrong. Abuse falls in the category of "wrong". Celebrating the failings of others likewise falls in the category of "wrong". Decent human beings aspire to what is right and scorn what is wrong.

In your opinion.

In fact.

You skipped logic class in college, didn't you? I know most in my philosophy 101 course skipped as many classes as they could and still pass, your asinine belief that right and wrong are absolutes fails the Platonic reasoning test.

Edited to add... this shows the flaws in Platonic laws of it must be right or wrong fall short
http://wikiworld.com/wiki/index.php/ClassicalLogic

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 4:39:46 PM

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ORIGINAL: texangael
I have a better solution. Rely on a dictionary and put aside the Humpty-Dumpty approach to language.

The dictionary adopts words from stories about Humpty-Dumpty and Tweedle-Dee. I'd rather be inventing words than stifling their nuances.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
You skipped logic class in college, didn't you?

I think it's more his judgemental personality than his lack of logic fueling his desire to put everything in its box. But if you need someone to sort your paperwork, he's probably the man to call.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 5:44:48 PM

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ORIGINAL: texangael

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ORIGINAL: Jeffff

This is not a snark. Could you take a moment and respond to my quesiton?

Emotions are. In this discussion they are also irrelevant.

Right and wrong are absolutes. There is right, and there is wrong. Abuse falls in the category of "wrong". Celebrating the failings of others likewise falls in the category of "wrong". Decent human beings aspire to what is right and scorn what is wrong.

And yet, there are many in the world that would say that spanking, assplay, caning and cropping are absolutely wrong and abusive as well. I note you list them amongst your favorites and are an "expert" in some. Funny how someone else's "absolute" ain't so damn absolute in our world isn't it?

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 6:22:32 PM

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And yet, there are many in the world that would say that spanking, assplay, caning and cropping are absolutely wrong and abusive as well.

So those people are also wrong. How hard is that to understand?

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 6:22:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: texangael

quote:

ORIGINAL: Jeffff

This is not a snark. Could you take a moment and respond to my quesiton?

Emotions are. In this discussion they are also irrelevant.

Right and wrong are absolutes. There is right, and there is wrong. Abuse falls in the category of "wrong". Celebrating the failings of others likewise falls in the category of "wrong". Decent human beings aspire to what is right and scorn what is wrong.

Ok, I would have been interested in something with a little more substance.

WE all have feelings and belief's. There is room for all of them.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 6:26:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: texangael

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And yet, there are many in the world that would say that spanking, assplay, caning and cropping are absolutely wrong and abusive as well.
So those people are also wrong. How hard is that to understand?

Just like I know for an absolute fact beyond any possible doubt that you are 100% unequivocably wrong in every single way.... it is obvious from your post on this thread there is more chance that 100 chimps could type Shakespeare's Hamlet in an afternoon than it is you have been correct about anything today....

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 6:28:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: texangael

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And yet, there are many in the world that would say that spanking, assplay, caning and cropping are absolutely wrong and abusive as well.
So those people are also wrong. How hard is that to understand?

Just like I know for an absolute fact beyond any possible doubt that you are 100% unequivocably wrong in every single way.... it is obvious from your post on this thread there is more chance that 100 chimps could type Shakespeare's Hamlet in an afternoon than it is you have been correct about anything today....

So you are saying that spanking, assplay, caning, and cropping are abusive.

Indeed.

Have fun with that. Let me know how it works out for you.

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 6:48:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: texangael

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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ORIGINAL: texangael

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And yet, there are many in the world that would say that spanking, assplay, caning and cropping are absolutely wrong and abusive as well.
So those people are also wrong. How hard is that to understand?

Just like I know for an absolute fact beyond any possible doubt that you are 100% unequivocably wrong in every single way.... it is obvious from your post on this thread there is more chance that 100 chimps could type Shakespeare's Hamlet in an afternoon than it is you have been correct about anything today....

So you are saying that spanking, assplay, caning, and cropping are abusive.

Indeed.

Have fun with that. Let me know how it works out for you.

It is called being a "smart ass".... this is why my moniker "Yosemite Sam"

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RE: Should/Does your Master ENJOY spanking you? - 8/12/2010 6:57:41 PM

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It is called being a "smart ass"

Indeed

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