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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 12:57:32 PM

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Yes and no Rule.

'They" have an army of attorneys.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 1:10:14 PM

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But you can too. Attorneys just pass along legal information, not any physical product, so it's all free!

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 1:19:48 PM

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I would like to be paid for this post.

And - 20 years from now- I still insist that I be paid - for THIS post.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 1:24:19 PM

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But you can too. Attorneys just pass along legal information, not any physical product, so it's all free!

Exactly!

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 1:27:42 PM

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But you can too. Attorneys just pass along legal information, not any physical product, so it's all free!

Exactly!

yet- there is a 6 page article on the BMI enforcers- 6 LONG pages.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 2:01:13 PM

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Here's a question. I have figured out a way to build an audio amp of very high power and nearly 100% efficient using only one output device per channel. It is practically indestructable and DC coupled. It involves a high frequency AC power supply and an ultra high speed four quadrant triac.

If I were to decide to actually design the thing, the drive circuitry would be quite a challenge. It might take me a month of intensive work to get it done. But I am not impelled to do it because intellectual property has no value.

Since it is DC coupled it would have applications in industry, like for robotics. People would make money off of the circuit. Real money, real goods. I know it's hard to fathom having industry in this country, but it could be....

Now why should I take off work for a month and do this and not make a dime off it ? Why should I build a prototype and then just let the Chinese build these things ? For free.

If you are talking music you are talking ideas. In this form of society even if those things are deemed to have no value they must be assigned a value because if money can be made, people who figured out how to do it should get a cut of the profits. Is that not fair ?

In the same light, try running your computer without an operating system. Try listening to music when nobody has written or performed any. Go back in time now and figure out how Shakespeare made a living. How would he get paid ? He obviously ate and had some form of shelter somewhere. If the words he put on paper increased the value of the paper (in the form of a script) should he not get paid ?

But then should his heirs or assignees get paid every time one of his plays is reenacted ?

What is starting to show in many ways is that the construct of our society is flawed. This issue cannot be resolved to everyone's satisfaction, that is coming clear.

Now what ?

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 2:08:46 PM

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If it is truly an original design, you could patent it.

Then either manufacture it or sell the patent,

It is also possible that it is not an original design but now in public domain. Or you could build them and pay a fee per unit manufactured.

Fender is a good example of this. Their tweed and black face amp circuits are highly prized and there are any number of "boutique: amp makers who have copied and in some cases improved on them. That is market driven.

Is there a market for your design?

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 2:26:51 PM

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I keep thinking of how Elvis was USED.

As was MANY.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 2:35:16 PM

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Unlike all the other businesses that exist for the benefit of the workers, right?

But that aside...I think you've mischaracterized this.

HAVE musicians been used, absolutely. And smarter ones maintained publishing rights.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 2:47:54 PM

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Every time a Beatle's song gets played, Micheal Jacksons publishing Co. gets $$

The remaining Beatles, get nada, zip, nothing.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 2:48:05 PM

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Now I am thinking about how George Washington cut down that apple tree. Or was it cherry. We should still pay him tho. / jkjk

I know it is all a mute point.

It is what it is.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 3:30:38 PM

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Every time a Beatle's song gets played, Micheal Jacksons publishing Co. gets $$

The remaining Beatles, get nada, zip, nothing.

Jeffff,

They sold the rights.

If I sold you my copyrights, I'd get paid what we figure that's worth--from you.

From then on, it's rightly yours.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 3:46:10 PM

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corporations live forever.

which in itself is a mistake

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 3:49:57 PM

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Jeffff Inc.

Legal immortality.

Has a certain ring.

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RE: The Music-Copyright Enforcers - 8/16/2010 3:55:59 PM

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He is right that it would be a bad idea to copy and send out Avatar- I sure would not want that legal mess. I have enough problems.

...Speaking of that film- I doubt I would watch it even for free. Anything too popular is almost a turn off for me.

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"Is there a market for your design?"

There might be. It boils down to an advancement of the class D amplifier. With about a 60Khz power supply it would make a good audio amp. Lower frequency power supplies could be used if the circuit feeds a servomechanism or robotic system. That would be even better because for one the output device(s) fast enough to reproduce sound faithfully will not be easy to find.

Mainly it offers higher efficiency and a lower component count than current class D technology. This is always desirable in electronics. When a lower bandwidth is required, as it would be for use in industry, it can be made incredibly cheap when output capacity is factored in. With current devices, the lower bandwidth might not be able to be the greatest but surely it could be used for a subwoofer channel.

In a normal economy the target market would be industry, but not here and now. I would probably have to patent it in China, which would mean paying taxes to China. How's them apples ?

So I simply won't bother. How is this relevant ? Well think of all the music you've heard, and then think of all the music you haven't heard. Why haven't you heard it ?

I can't stand most top forty. I am not going to play dumb and ask who votes for the top forty, it is obviously the youngers buying CDs. But who decides which CDs get made and promoted ? That was rhetorical, the recording companies decide and they base that decision on money.

The buying public is like sheep. When you see someone walking around in a Tommy Hilfiger T shirt, what do you think ? It's got Tommy plastered all over the front and they have become a walking billboard, providing free advertising for that company. The stupid part is that they overpaid for the shirt to be able to do it. I couldn't think of a better scam in my best day.

So are there places that are such hotspots that they should actually be paid a promotional fee for using certain products, such as certain music ? I think there are a few, but not everywhere. The radio is another aspect. Where did you first hear the last music you purchased ? More than likely on the radio. Yet the radio station has to pay for the priveledge to promote the product.

This is capitalism to the nth degree. Every time someone makes a dime someone else wants a dollar.

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Every time a Beatle's song gets played, Micheal Jacksons publishing Co. gets $$

The remaining Beatles, get nada, zip, nothing.

Jeffff,

They sold the rights.

If I sold you my copyrights, I'd get paid what we figure that's worth--from you.

From then on, it's rightly yours.

I know. I remember reading about it when it went down. Paul and Yoko were bidding against MJ. The agreed that they were only bidding it up.Yoko said she wouldn't let it get away.

Oops.

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I didn't read the whole article, but it sounds like the music artists want to be paid every time somebody plays one of their songs, provided that they're playing it in a profit driven businesssuch as a nightclub. Well, sometimes, bars hire DJs to play for them. I had a friend who was a DJ and he played in several bars. The CDs he played belonged to him. Does that mean that he should have to send a check to an agency every time he plays one of their artists' songs? If so, he wouldn't be able to survive on that job.

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Yes, He used other peoples material for commercial gain.

I don't think that kind of stuff is well enforced.

What does it say and the end of every baseball game?

" The preceding is the property of Major League Baseball" " The use or rebroadcast without express written consent is prohibited"

This isn't that hard folks, really.

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Again, the venue covers this, ASCAP/BMI take care of who gets what.

There is nothing new here--decades old law, going back to early radio.

The real money is in old musicals--Rogers and Hammerstein, for example, worth millions--and for prolific songwriters (like Manilow, who really does write the songs).

And commercials. A 13 week commercial run can earn a composer 10 grand.

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