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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 2:08:58 PM   
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Quit your bawling you big baby, you been dishin it out so just take it and like it.

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What happend with your obviously dishonest calls to attack the idea and not the poster?  Oh, we knew that was a ploy to get you off the hook when you were in trouble with your misinformed posts.




Sanity, you're living "rent free" in the minds of the "liberals."



Belay that, that should have said "Leftists". Most "Liberals" are OK!


They just said that "losses are mounting in after hours trading" in the stock market.


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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 2:59:14 PM   
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Sorry but large numbers of undereducated people working service industry jobs does not make for a good economy. For serious.


If everyone in the country had a PhD, we'd still need more truck drivers.

75 years ago, the only qualification for a janitor in a factory was a wiolling ness to work
50 years ago, literacy was required
25 years ago, a HS diploma was required
Today the factory requires "some college"
25 years from now, maybe it will be a Masters

Widespread higher education will not eliminate the need for service occupations. Decent wages, and some sanity to executive pay are what I think our society needs.

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 3:49:34 PM   
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And as per Republican dogma we can rely on the free market to "self correct" and a address those issues....no need for gov't interferance in the market,Right truckin?

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 4:08:58 PM   
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We've busted trusts, and limited the wealth and power of the 'robber barons" before.

This country hasn't been "winner take all" for a long time. No one wants to see the repeal of child labor laws, and few ouside some zealous Libertarians want an end to the minimum wage. It's all about degrees of control and change.

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 4:22:00 PM   
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few ouside some zealous Libertarians want an end to the minimum wage.


A bit of an overstatement. There are many economists outside of the von Mises crowd that recognize the problems it creates.

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 5:57:02 PM   
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Sorry but large numbers of undereducated people working service industry jobs does not make for a good economy. For serious.


If everyone in the country had a PhD, we'd still need more truck drivers.

75 years ago, the only qualification for a janitor in a factory was a wiolling ness to work
50 years ago, literacy was required
25 years ago, a HS diploma was required
Today the factory requires "some college"
25 years from now, maybe it will be a Masters

Widespread higher education will not eliminate the need for service occupations. Decent wages, and some sanity to executive pay are what I think our society needs.



Large numbers of "undereducated people working service industry jobs?"
That's exactly backwards here. More than half of the waitresses/waiters/bartenders here have some type of degree.

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 6:10:58 PM   
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Sorry but large numbers of undereducated people working service industry jobs does not make for a good economy. For serious.


If everyone in the country had a PhD, we'd still need more truck drivers.

75 years ago, the only qualification for a janitor in a factory was a wiolling ness to work
50 years ago, literacy was required
25 years ago, a HS diploma was required
Today the factory requires "some college"

25 years from now, maybe it will be a Masters

Widespread higher education will not eliminate the need for service occupations. Decent wages, and some sanity to executive pay are what I think our society needs.

The first bolded remark because they expect you to be able to calculate TQM parameters.  The second bolded remark due to increased computer-driven automation in the factories.

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 7:12:34 PM   
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Quit your bawling you big baby, you been dishin it out so just take it and like it.

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What happend with your obviously dishonest calls to attack the idea and not the poster?  Oh, we knew that was a ploy to get you off the hook when you were in trouble with your misinformed posts.



Who knew Charlie Brown was a giant hypocritical douche?


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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 7:52:10 PM   
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Fed set to downgrade outlook for US

By James Politi in Washington
Published: August 8 2010 19:15 | Last updated: August 8 2010 19:15

The Federal Reserve is set to downgrade its assessment of US economic prospects when it meets on Tuesday to discuss ways to reboot the flagging recovery.

Faced with weak economic data and rising fears of a double-dip recession, the Federal Open Market Committee is likely to ensure its policy is not constraining growth and to use its statement to signal greater concern about the economy. It is, however, unlikely to agree big new steps to boost growth.

Smaller measures to help the economy could initially take the form of a decision to reinvest proceeds from maturing mortgage-backed securities held by the US central bank, thereby preventing the Fed’s balance sheet from shrinking naturally.

Investors will also examine closely any changes to the pledge made by the FOMC in June to “employ its policy tools as necessary to promote economic recovery and price stability”, which could be hardened if policymakers choose to signal the potential for more aggressive move to boost the economy in the future.

But even if that happens, most economists believe that it would take several more months of poor data for the Fed to actually begin a new round of asset purchases on the scale of those carried out during the recession.

In congressional testimony last month, Ben Bernanke noted “unusual uncertainty” in the economic outlook and in a speech last week the Fed chairman warned of a “considerable way to go” before the US achieves a full recovery.

Although Fed policymakers still believe the basic trajectory of the economy remains one of moderate expansion, there may be more attention given to heightened dangers of a sharp slowdown. “The FOMC will have to tone down its assessment of the economy in view of recent weak indicators on real growth, real consumption spending and employment,” said Brian Bethune and Nigel Gault, economists at Global Insight.

The latest poor reading came in Friday’s monthly employment report, which showed the US private sector creating only 71,000 jobs in July – not enough to keep up with population growth, let alone bring down the unemployment rate. That followed news a week earlier that growth in US gross domestic product slowed from an annualised rate of 3.7 per cent in the first quarter to 2.4 per cent in the second quarter.

“Given how low inflation already is, and given the potential for the recovery to falter, we expect Fed officials will highlight downside risks and signal a bias to ease in the FOMC statement,” said Jim O’Sullivan, chief economist at MF Global.

There is little, if any, doubt that the FOMC will maintain interest rates at their current low target range of 0-0.25 per cent.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/dedcb986-a316-11df-8cf4-00144feabdc0.html


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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/More-worried-about-recovery-apf-2353655020.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

And Freddie Mac and Fannie May had another "bang-up" quarter.
And Howie Carr said, "Obama's going to have another bailout for the bailout." "He knows he can't get amnesty for illegal aliens so now he's going to *lard up* the Teachers and other Public Sector unions instead!"


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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 9:17:35 PM   
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The article is about fracture among the Democrat party taz, so your post doesnt really follow.



My post was in direct response to yours. As far as a fracture... a few republicans voted for this as well. Seems to me its not just the dems who are experiencing a few ripples.

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 9:24:17 PM   
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Yep, rent free popeye...


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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 10:35:15 PM   
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They'd be laying off a lot of people at the factories if we had any left!
Unfortunately people are going to see the absolute folly of exporting ("outsourcing") our manufacturing base in the next few years.
And this "global economy" just keeps getting better!

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 10:42:19 PM   
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/More-worried-about-recovery-apf-2353655020.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

Those of us who called this will continue to be ignored and referred to as nutjobs by those who said it wouldn't happen. They'll revise their old statements, say that they always knew this would happen, and then call the rest of us nutjobs again, now that we're talking about what's going to happen next. Repeat.


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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 10:47:14 PM   
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http://finance.yahoo.com/news/More-worried-about-recovery-apf-2353655020.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

Those of us who called this will continue to be ignored and referred to as nutjobs by those who said it wouldn't happen. They'll revise their old statements, say that they always knew this would happen, and then call the rest of us nutjobs again, now that we're talking about what's going to happen next. Repeat.



Who said what wouldnt happen that you "called"? This is nothing more than standard Fed practice to keep interest rates low.

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/11/2010 11:48:25 PM   
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I been down since I begin to crawl
If it wasn't for bad luck,
I wouldn't have no luck at all



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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/12/2010 7:45:38 AM   
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Story of my life...........

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/12/2010 7:47:15 AM   
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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/12/2010 7:50:13 AM   
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Blame it on that devil Rutherford B. Hayes:


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New claims for unemployment aid reach 484K

WASHINGTON – The employment picture is looking bleaker as applications for jobless benefits rose last week to the highest level in almost six months. It's a sign that hiring is weak and employers are still cutting their staffs.

First-time claims for jobless benefits edged up by 2,000 to a seasonally adjusted 484,000, the Labor Department said Thursday. Analysts had expected a drop. That's the highest total since February.

Initial claims have now risen in three of the last four weeks and are close to their high point for the year of 490,000, reached in late January. The four-week average, which smooths volatility, soared by 14,250 to 473,500, also the highest since late February.

Full article here:  http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100812/ap_on_bi_go_ec_fi/us_economy





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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/12/2010 7:51:53 AM   
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I had a suit like that!

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RE: This isn't a good sign. - 8/12/2010 7:55:42 AM   
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They'd be laying off a lot of people at the factories if we had any left!
Unfortunately people are going to see the absolute folly of exporting ("outsourcing") our manufacturing base in the next few years.
And this "global economy" just keeps getting better!

What, you mean the outsourcing that was set rolling by the last President you actually voted for, when America was doing so much better during the '80s?
How could you possibly have a problem with one of Saint Ronnie of the Monster Deficit's masterstrokes?

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