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Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 6:43:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		As apparently one in a million people who think that Obama has done pretty well in terms of dealing with the massive pile of fecal matter he inherited after 3 decades of neocons trashing the country (and the world), could it be that the reason the right feels threatened by the guy is that he didn't fall flat on his ass?

I mean if your deep seated beliefs are that white folks are smarter than black folks, then Obama's a nightmare. Not only wasn't there economic collapse when he took office, but things were actually beginning to look better in a short period of time. Then of course, the Republicans had to get religion about deficits, although when they've been in power, tax cuts for the wealthy along with massive spending sprees on defense were necessary to "strangle the beast". Heck, even increasing social security benefits plays into this one. What- you thought Ronnie had a change of heart when he shoved through the massive increases in social security? Hardly...Methinks the Republican complaint about deficits is like a religious conversion on a deathbed...

Then Obama actually passes one of his major pieces of legislation-health care reform While it's certainly not a brilliant bill (heck, it's basically Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan), it's at least some progress on a difficult issue.

So it seems that the Republicans are cooking up more crises to throw at the guy, so that they can crow that he failed. And since it's important to show that a black guy couldn't handle the pressure- the gloves are off. Too much of the Republican rhetoric has racist motivations, whether it's the gross distortions about a mosque in NYC or the focus on immigration- neither of which matter in terms of our economy or any other significant problems ranging from global climate change (more Republican propaganda that it's fictitious) to cleaning up the mess in the gulf of Mexico.

The biggest mistake Obama has made as been to try and be bipartisan. When the other side is engaging in nuclear warfare to make sure that if they don't win, nobody does, you need to put their tactics on display till they slink into the doghouse. Until the Republicans are willing to man up and show some spine, admitting their errors from Sarah Palin chanting "Drill, baby, drill"-so where was she during the Gulf cleanup- it's not like she has a job... to Afghanistan- where our army is being used to chase down what- 100 terrorists?- what's the cost per head per day?, to global climate change -where amongst the science community- denial is rapidly approaching membership in the flat earth society. I mean come on...What was the question put to Senator Joe Mccarthy? At long last sir, have you no sense of shame, no decency?

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 7:15:29 AM   
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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 7:18:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is, so it's a bit of a shame the lad hasn't had any yet. Maybe if he stopped this bipartisan crap that's getting him nowhere and started using his veto more he'd be doing a bit better.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 7:31:29 AM   
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This.


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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 8:02:39 AM   
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As apparently one in a million people who think that Obama has done pretty well in terms of dealing with the massive pile of fecal matter he inherited after 3 decades of neocons trashing the country (and the world), could it be that the reason the right feels threatened by the guy is that he didn't fall flat on his ass?



But he DID fall flat on his ass, and hasnt figured out how to get up yet.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 8:34:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		What success? He's gotten a lot accomplished in terms of legislation, but that doesn't mean any of it is successful policy. I think the man's a complete failure. The stimulus was a poorly crafted abomination that did not stimulate, health care is a disaster that looks worse every week, financial reform did not reform, and... well, what else have we got? Sounds to me like the entire thread is based on a false premise.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 8:38:12 AM   
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What success? He's gotten a lot accomplished in terms of legislation, but that doesn't mean any of it is successful policy. I think the man's a complete failure. The stimulus was a poorly crafted abomination that did not stimulate, health care is a disaster that looks worse every week, financial reform did not reform, and... well, what else have we got? Sounds to me like the entire thread is based on a false premise.


Well, he has taken credit for deporting more illegals than GWB did, and Im willing to give him credit for that. Of course that could have been done by a retarded fly stuck in some spilled molasses. And they'll be back once the GOP gets the economy moving again.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 8:42:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		You need to talk to an economist if you think the stimulus didn't save jobs and create new jobs. Last I saw the estimate was more than 3 million jobs saved and/or created by the stimulus package.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 8:47:54 AM   
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You need to talk to an economist if you think the stimulus didn't save jobs and create new jobs. Last I saw the estimate was more than 3 million jobs saved and/or created by the stimulus package.


With your vast statistical knowledge you should be able to recognize made up numbers.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 8:48:39 AM   
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Obamas claim while pushing Porkulus was that with all his new massive debt on our grandchildrens shoulders unemployment wouldnt go over, what was the figure he gave? Seven percent I think it was. Now its close to ten, and headed up. When Bush was president and unemployment was around five percent the media elites were solemnly informing us that we were in the second great depression.

Now though? Crickets.


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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 8:50:15 AM   
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Obamas claim while pushing Porkulus was that with all his new massive debt on our grandchildrens shoulders unemployment wouldnt go over, what was the figure he gave? Seven percent I think it was. Now its close to ten, and headed up. When Bush was president and unemployment was around five percent the media elites were solemnly informing us that we were in the second great depression.

Now though? Crickets.



8%. close enough when his policies had no chance to do anything but spend $500,000 per short term job it "created or saved".

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 8:52:25 AM   
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You need to talk to an economist if you think the stimulus didn't save jobs and create new jobs. Last I saw the estimate was more than 3 million jobs saved and/or created by the stimulus package.


With your vast statistical knowledge you should be able to recognize made up numbers.

You'll have to present some data then. Just a quick glance shows more than enough infrastructure spending to account for 3 million jobs.

You might want to learn math where value comparisons remain consistent when numbers are multiplied by constants first.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 9:48:41 AM   
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You need to talk to an economist if you think the stimulus didn't save jobs and create new jobs. Last I saw the estimate was more than 3 million jobs saved and/or created by the stimulus package.


During a period when well over 4 million jobs were lost. Did you see today's jobless figures? 484,000 new jobless claims in July. Almost a half million new jobs lost just last month. By the Administration's own figures, the stimulus bill has failed to meet its stated goals.


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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 9:58:46 AM   
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By the Administration's own figures, the stimulus bill has failed to meet its stated goals.

Well at least it helped meet Europe's goals...

Billions of dollars in U.S. rescue funds wound up in big banks in France, Germany and other nations... Most other countries, by contrast, focused their efforts more narrowly on banks in their nations that usually lacked major U.S. operations.

An example: Major French and German banks were among the biggest beneficiaries of the U.S. rescue of American International Group Inc., yet the American government shouldered the entire $70 billion risk of pumping capital into the crippled insurance titan.

Associated Press, August 12

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 10:05:24 AM   
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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 10:40:57 AM   
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You need to talk to an economist if you think the stimulus didn't save jobs and create new jobs. Last I saw the estimate was more than 3 million jobs saved and/or created by the stimulus package.


During a period when well over 4 million jobs were lost. Did you see today's jobless figures? 484,000 new jobless claims in July. Almost a half million new jobs lost just last month. By the Administration's own figures, the stimulus bill has failed to meet its stated goals.


Did you look at those numbers more closely?

Did you notice how many private sector jobs were lost? actually 42,000 private sector jobs were added. The net contraction of 131,00 jobs is because of the reduction in public sector workforce driven by low tax income in the states and the end of the census.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 12:27:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Obama has lost the opportunity for change. With the economy having serious structural problems and the corruption inside the rest of the system basically at very high level one needs lot of power to make change. Obama failed to gain power, decided to integrate himself into the system, and it means we have to wait for the next agent of change. He should have learned from Russian president Putin. At the end of 1999 Russia was in a major financial crisis, the "oligarchs" stole   billions and everything possible. Putin started with prosecutions and gained immediate attention and power. This enabled him to create conditions for fast recovery.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 1:17:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Drop his bi partisanship????????????

He'd have to have some bi partisanship to drop. LOL

His progressive shift has garnered how much support from Republicans?
Even Bush's War votes had more bi partisanship than Obama has shown.

The lack of being able to advance his issues further faster has been from a lack of ability to garner the votes from within his own party more often than the inability to draw any Republican support.

The Jobs Created or Saved stats have long been proven to be so corrupted that they are unusable as a measure of anything other than the creativity of bean counters.

His successes seem to be the things that have solidifying more opposition, ensuring that more seats in both the House and the Senate will shift party. during the mid term elections. I think he may be a victim of his own success. He pushed through so much of the agenda so fast that it has riled the masses up.

Race????? give me a break I'd send Herman Cain to Washington as President in a hot second.


Moonhead I have to ask What the fuck is he gonna Veto??????????? The Democrats control both houses of Congress nothing that the Republicans offer up is even being let out of commitee so again WTF is he supposed to be vetoing his own party's bills?


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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 2:15:47 PM   
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Drop his bi partisanship????????????

He'd have to have some bi partisanship to drop. LOL

His progressive shift has garnered how much support from Republicans?
Even Bush's War votes had more bi partisanship than Obama has shown.

The lack of being able to advance his issues further faster has been from a lack of ability to garner the votes from within his own party more often than the inability to draw any Republican support.

The Jobs Created or Saved stats have long been proven to be so corrupted that they are unusable as a measure of anything other than the creativity of bean counters.

His successes seem to be the things that have solidifying more opposition, ensuring that more seats in both the House and the Senate will shift party. during the mid term elections. I think he may be a victim of his own success. He pushed through so much of the agenda so fast that it has riled the masses up.

Race????? give me a break I'd send Herman Cain to Washington as President in a hot second.


Moonhead I have to ask What the fuck is he gonna Veto??????????? The Democrats control both houses of Congress nothing that the Republicans offer up is even being let out of commitee so again WTF is he supposed to be vetoing his own party's bills?




To the lefties on this board and in DC, "bi-partisanship" means vote for Obama's bills even if they are asinine and totally contradict your and your constituency's core values.

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RE: Is Obama's success the biggest threat to the Right? - 8/12/2010 2:58:27 PM   
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Even Bush's War votes had more bi partisanship than Obama has shown.


The verb you're looking for is "got," not "shown."

It's also apples and oranges. War and domestic policy are hardly interchangeable examples.

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