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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:10:43 PM   
sweetlindsey84


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Status: offline 		people here think just because they are involved in kink that they have lost the ability to oppress other's however the truth is that the weak always pick on the weaker and there is no one group more down trodden than the transgendered

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:10:51 PM   
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good im glad to see you can read everyone who has read this thread's mind.....


Well she did a good job with mine and judging by the posts I have read so far, she's doing a fair job with the others also.


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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:12:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		lady pact i totally agree asking the person in question about themselves is totally acceptable no argument there what so ever thanks :)

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:12:15 PM   
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people here think just because they are involved in kink that they have lost the ability to oppress other's however the truth is that the weak always pick on the weaker and there is no one group more down trodden than the transgendered



Nonsense.



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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:14:50 PM   
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@calla I never said don't educate i said it is not the oppressed's responsibility to educate..... however i believe educating the public is vital....ignorance however is only the fault of the ignorant.... the information is out there if you want it....

Wasn't even gonna step into this thread, but this bothers me. I completely disagree with you. How might American history been different had Dr King not made his speech, no marches, etc. Demonstration and education is absolutely vital from the oppressed because they are so deeply emotionally invested & feels the effects of oppression most keenly, in my opinion.

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:15:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sweetlindsey84

people here think just because they are involved in kink that they have lost the ability to oppress other's however the truth is that the weak always pick on the weaker and there is no one group more down trodden than the transgendered



Really tell the kids that are born with aids, the kids that are horribly abused, the people dying in the streets due to a war they have no control over and aren't participating in, the jews that survived concentration camps (need me to go on?) that......get off the horse....you're not tall enough for it.

Your platform of thinking you corner the market on misery and everyone is intentionally out to get you isn't true or helpful here.

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:21:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		i don't think many people are purposefully trying to hurt kids with aids. or people in a war zone or jews who the nazis allowed some to live how many transgendered people do you think the nazis allowed to live?

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:24:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		the funny thing is many of you here infact think i am trans..... lol but not even one of you asked...... i think that proves my point perfectlly lmao

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:24:25 PM   
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i don't think many people are purposefully trying to hurt kids with aids. or people in a war zone or jews who the nazis allowed some to live how many transgendered people do you think the nazis allowed to live?


Are you serious? Do you think the holocaust was about gender? Who needs an education and is being horribly insensitive now? And yes, people purposefully try to hurt kids every day, people purposefully kill people due to religion every day. You do NOT corner the market on misery or come remotely close to being in the class of people that is most oppressed in this world.

Stop waging a war with people that really do want to accept the differences in the world. Can you not see that's what you are doing?

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:26:46 PM   
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the funny thing is many of you here infact think i am trans..... lol but not even one of you asked...... i think that proves my point perfectlly lmao


THE funniest thing about this thread is that YOU don't get that we don't care if you are. We would accept you either way if your opinions were rational and respectful just like everyone else on this board.

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:27:17 PM   
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i don't think many people are purposefully trying to hurt kids with aids. or people in a war zone or jews who the nazis allowed some to live how many transgendered people do you think the nazis allowed to live?


Right, no one has ever oppressed anyone with aids. . And those lovable nazis, letting those Jews live so they could work.

You might want to stop calling other people ignorant.



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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:28:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lindsey, seriously, I agree with you on this for the most part.  A person is what a person is.  If they wish to be called and identify as male or female, then good, that's how I'll refer to them.

I also agree that people should be more educated on this subject, without a doubt.

However, you are not, judging by your actions, here to educate.  You are simply here to be obnoxious and inflamatory, which gives the rest of us who have the ability to use reason, education and common sense a bad name.  That being said, although I do agree with you, you have amazingly earned being but the third person on CM whom I've ever blocked/ignored/completely disassociated myself from.

Here is hoping that, at some point, you end up growing up and growing out of your need to be so terribly combative and confrontational.  It really won't get you anywhere in the world.


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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:29:04 PM   
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people here think just because they are involved in kink that they have lost the ability to oppress other's however the truth is that the weak always pick on the weaker and there is no one group more down trodden than the transgendered



Really tell the kids that are born with aids, the kids that are horribly abused, the people dying in the streets due to a war they have no control over and aren't participating in, the jews that survived concentration camps (need me to go on?) that......get off the horse....you're not tall enough for it.

Your platform of thinking you corner the market on misery and everyone is intentionally out to get you isn't true or helpful here.


Ok, now I am curious. Her profile in no way indicates that she is transgendered, but her posts do sound an awful lot like "why is everyone picking on me" so maybe she is. It could explain why she is getting so emotional about this.


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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:32:36 PM   
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But you're not really respecting it if you maintain that trans people (and people with non-binary genders) are really the gender associated with their genitals. That's basically telling people that how they identify is wrong.


It is not a matter of right or wrong, really. I may not agree with someone's self identification - it's basically a disagreement. You and the "factually" woman seem intent on ironing out one set definition and that is not the point of this exercise.


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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:32:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		BK to be honest your absolutely right i have been extremely combative here on this thread and it is not at all my normal way but i am particularly pissed off about this shit today..... and to be honest but i am not even remotely the only one being combative here but the fact is i am representing the oppressed in this matter.... and i refuse to back down first on this issue... maybe if others admit to their own wrongness we can have peace here

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:32:52 PM   
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so jeff you put down my argument please tell us what yours is again? oh right that it is ok to say hateful things if you don't know any better?


I have no argument. I asked a few questions. I was then given solid info, from another poster.

It is simply a fact that people say offensive things. Often they say those things without knowing they are being offensive.

As opposed to the majority of your posts here.

Your posts bring nothing to the table. I find them vapid and needlessly harsh.

They offer nothing to an intelligent debate.




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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:33:45 PM   
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the funny thing is many of you here infact think i am trans..... lol but not even one of you asked...... i think that proves my point perfectlly lmao

Whether you're trans or not is irrelevant.  The only point you're making is that you're unable to have a discussion without attacking anyone who dares to disagree with you, and yes, you're proving that point perfectly.

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:34:02 PM   
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seriously lady pact? you don't know where to find information?

also usually people who are ignorant usually are ignorant because they want to be sooo even when someone tries to educate them they refuse to learn and become combative case in point.... this thread lmao
Lindsey,you need to read that about 10 times and then go look in the mirror.  There is so much fucking irony in it, I am snorting laughing.  Also, do you think adding lmao to the end of something makes it ok no matter how ignorant it shows you to be?  oops, let me not forget to add the lmao to that!

Otter, I hope I didn't insult you, as I had no intention to do that.  I also won't sit and lie and say of I would be just fine accepting you as a female, when I know it not to be true.

I suspect that if you and I spent an evening talking, we could both walk away with a better understanding of "the other side" of things.

Then, together, we could gag old sweet lindsey before she has someone actually believing she speaks for you or any other trans person.

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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:34:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		No, my dear Boi, they really make her sound more like a young teen trying to incite a flame war.  Very very few of the trans people and gender neutral people are anywhere near as immature and ridiculous as her.  I'd appreciate if you would not make that silly mistake again. ;)


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RE: Defining Gender: No Wrong Answer - 8/15/2010 4:34:45 PM   
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the fact is everyone of those groups you mention has at one time or another oppressed trans people..... further more i never said anything about having the market even remotely cornered.......so stop belittling the battle by trans people as not as worthy as others....your being a dick


You did in fact say that "there is no one group more down trodden than the transgendered"....didn't you? And I did in fact say :

I can recognize your frustration on the topic

I'm sorry that this topic is misunderstood, I don't doubt that it is, all the time

we don't care if you are. We would accept you either way

Otters. I could care less what gender you are, you're a worthwhile person because of the way you express your viewpoint and accept others, and yes, when you extend yourself like that you do have the absolute right to expect it of others.


Now, you show me where you're displayed any type of acceptance of anyone other than transgendered in general at all on this thread. Your opinions are that of a spoiled child. One doesn't deserve respect when they behave that way, regardless of gender or orientation.

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