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jlf1961 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 3:01:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Again, who's saying they can't build there? This is NOT a constitutional issue, Nobody is denying them to build yet another Mosque in NYC. Kinda hard to cite a source when the Imam refuses to release his fund raising documentation. Point of fact, they have not yet begun raising funds, that is a point of public record.

Musicmystery -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 3:57:18 PM)
quote: Why are we in Iraq again? Oh yeah, they were a state that sponsored terrorist groups...Silly us Silly you, actually. We're there because the Bush Administration manipulated false intelligence that claimed Iraq had WMD. The terrorists weren't sponsored from Iraq--they got there after we created the void. If we were going after states that sponsored terrorists, we'd be going after Iran, Lebanon, Syria.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 4:59:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rulemylife quote: ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie No...but...I do have a picture of Clinton shaking hands with an alien....and don't think he was the last President to do that! Could I get a copy? Did this take place at Area 51? Too bad the X-Files never got hold of that. It was at a Target...and I KNOW people that saw this take place!

subrob1967 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 5:41:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Silly you, actually. We're there because the Bush Administration manipulated false intelligence that claimed Iraq had WMD. The terrorists weren't sponsored from Iraq--they got there after we created the void. If we were going after states that sponsored terrorists, we'd be going after Iran, Lebanon, Syria. How many fucking times does it have to be shown that even the Clinton administration, as well as numerous Democrat Senators also believed Saddam, not only had WMD's, but actually used them on the Kurds? The Bush lied card is almost as old, and just as abused as the race card. Silly you.

SL4V3M4YB3 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 5:45:39 PM)
He did use them on the Kurds but that was in the 80's, since then he suffered one invasion and a long list of UN sanctions.

subrob1967 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 6:25:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SL4V3M4YB3 He did use them on the Kurds but that was in the 80's, since then he suffered one invasion and a long list of UN sanctions. Which didn't stop the Dems from speaking out about the subject, and signing off on the invasion.

domiguy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 6:30:02 PM)
It's no excuse, they are all politicians very few had the stones to confront the rush to war and the political fallout. If Bush would not have pushed a flawed agenda there would have been no war. That is a fact which is as old as the race card. But you could care less about the truth.

joether -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 6:46:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery Silly you, actually. We're there because the Bush Administration manipulated false intelligence that claimed Iraq had WMD. The terrorists weren't sponsored from Iraq--they got there after we created the void. If we were going after states that sponsored terrorists, we'd be going after Iran, Lebanon, Syria. How many fucking times does it have to be shown that even the Clinton administration, as well as numerous Democrat Senators also believed Saddam, not only had WMD's, but actually used them on the Kurds? The Bush lied card is almost as old, and just as abused as the race card. Silly you. Yes, it was SUSPECTED, during the Clinton Administration, that Saddam had some chemical and maybe even biological material. HOWEVER, it wasn't until Bush came to office, that the concept of 'Saddam with a nuclear weapon, is a danger to the entire of the Middle East', was played to the country and world. The Bush Administration (Powell, Rice, Cheney, and the whole crew), did interviews, news confrences, and hearings, from 2001-2003, to give as much 'justification' to invade that country. And what was their arguement based on? Faulty and incorrect information. They just pulled 'An Enron', and 'massaged' the data/information to look the way they needed it. To the Bush Administration, it was a forgone conclusion, that they were invading the country, regardless of what the actual 'Massave Stockpiles' of 'Weapons of Mass Destruction' found once there. Everyone believe, that the President wouldn't lie, given what happened to President Clinton. He even promised he wouldn't in 1999. Oh yeah, subrob1967. Since we are on the topic of IMPEACHMENT. Maybe you can tell me, WHY, a Republican Congress impeached one president for lying about something, TOTALLY unrelated to his job or the country; But give a free pass on the other, who LIED to get us in to Iraq? How many people had to die for that lie? How many trillions did that lie cost the United States?

GotSteel -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 7:03:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Oh yeah, subrob1967. Since we are on the topic of IMPEACHMENT. Maybe you can tell me, WHY, a Republican Congress impeached one president for lying about something, TOTALLY unrelated to his job or the country; But give a free pass on the other, who LIED to get us in to Iraq? How many people had to die for that lie? How many trillions did that lie cost the United States? Because we would need evidence that Bush knew the intelligence information he was using was faulty, last I knew no one had found such evidence. Clinton lied under oath to effect the outcome of a court case against him. That's a felony, if you or I had done it we would be doing time.

GotSteel -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/21/2010 7:19:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Again, who's saying they can't build there? The conservative advocacy group that sued them to stop them from building. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38552243/ns/us_news That's what everyone including President Obama has been speaking up against. You really need to do some research and find out what's going on before you open your mouth.

subrob1967 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 7:12:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GotSteel quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Again, who's saying they can't build there? The conservative advocacy group that sued them to stop them from building. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38552243/ns/us_news That's what everyone including President Obama has been speaking up against. You really need to do some research and find out what's going on before you open your mouth. Again, and for the final time, has the state tried to stop it? Has the court filed an injunction on the construction until it makes a ruling? Other than 50 year old Spinster sisters in Oklahoma, does anyone even listen to Pat Robertson? Frivolous lawsuits are filed every day, for every reason under the sun,. This is really pathetic, Steel...Really

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 3:07:37 PM)
so after 26 pages, and numerous facts thrown back at you, you are calling someone pathetic, because no one has actually physcially put a stop to this. Despite every freaking politician, news media and joe public ranting and raving about it on both sides of the antlantic and more Truly do you not see the irony? Silly you

truckinslave -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 3:10:57 PM)
quote: Point of fact, they have not yet begun raising funds, that is a point of public record. It's a matter of public record that Daisy said the other day that she had to check with her "stakeholders". People have money in the pot.

subrob1967 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 3:27:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic so after 26 pages, and numerous facts thrown back at you, you are calling someone pathetic, because no one has actually physcially put a stop to this. Despite every freaking politician, news media and joe public ranting and raving about it on both sides of the antlantic and more Truly do you not see the irony? Silly you Last time I looked, the only politicians that mattered, ok'd the building. Who in the "news" media is speaking out against this? Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh are entitled to their opinions, and are not news media, and again, none of the are against the building of a Mosque, hell, there's already over 100 Mosques in NYC. The protest is about the location of, not the building of, "project 51/Cordoba House" chosen by the intolerant Imam... Yep, pathetic and silly fit the bill here.

jlf1961 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 3:43:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: Point of fact, they have not yet begun raising funds, that is a point of public record. It's a matter of public record that Daisy said the other day that she had to check with her "stakeholders". People have money in the pot. A stakeholder in the community center is either a member of the board overseeing the project, such as planners, directors or members of the group who plan on using it. The Stake holders in a church are the elders or deacons of the church. Every church, synagogue, cathedral, mosque has stake holders, which does not mean investors. It is pretty much common knowledge. When the Catholic Church I belong to decided to build a new church and residence for the priests, the stakeholders, in this case the deacons and the church members had a say in the matter. Of course you are going to believe what you want. Sad really when you think about it. This country is based on religious freedom and tolerance, and most of this country believes that is only true if you are christian, or in some rare instances, Jewish.

thornhappy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 3:48:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Which didn't stop the Dems from speaking out about the subject, and signing off on the invasion. I remember that time. You were practically crucified for differing with the administration. We're talking "Freedom Fries", remember (later that congressman regretted that whole phrase)? "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys." "Old Europe". "You're either with us or against us." "Coalition of the Willing" (most of whom were there for the foreign aid and some of which couldn't even send materiel or more than a few personnel.) More members should've stood up and called bullshit on it, and the generals in the military (that was a criticism by lower ranking officers, btw.) But it reminded me of later protests on how the war continued to be funded (by a separate appropriation instead of as the DoD yearly budget); the Republicans said "if you don't like it, kill the spending." Knowing full well that if someone did, they'd be ranted on from all facets of the blogosphere, talk radio, and Fox News as being unpatriotic and not supporting the troops. BTW subrob, they already pray right nearby, there are Muslim prayers held in the Pentagon, for crying out loud (why should that be acceptable but not prayers a few blocks from ground zero), and there's another mosque 10 blocks away. Just how far away would you find acceptable? Why is NYC sacred ground, but not the Pentagon?

jlf1961 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 3:57:53 PM)
Thorny, actually, the Muslim prayer services are held 20 feet from the Pentagon 9/11 memorial.

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 3:58:03 PM)
Rob,Im talking about the WHOLE shebang, not left and right, or christian and mulim, Im talking about anyone who has spoken out about it, get your head out of your partisan arse. I could give a flying fuck about the partisanship left or right, or who is dribbling what. The fact that it hasnt been refused/denied, blown up is redundant compared to the furor it has caused, rightly or wrongly Silly you and your assumptions

subrob1967 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 5:51:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Which didn't stop the Dems from speaking out about the subject, and signing off on the invasion. I remember that time. You were practically crucified for differing with the administration. We're talking "Freedom Fries", remember (later that congressman regretted that whole phrase)? "Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys." "Old Europe". "You're either with us or against us." "Coalition of the Willing" (most of whom were there for the foreign aid and some of which couldn't even send materiel or more than a few personnel.) More members should've stood up and called bullshit on it, and the generals in the military (that was a criticism by lower ranking officers, btw.) But it reminded me of later protests on how the war continued to be funded (by a separate appropriation instead of as the DoD yearly budget); the Republicans said "if you don't like it, kill the spending." Knowing full well that if someone did, they'd be ranted on from all facets of the blogosphere, talk radio, and Fox News as being unpatriotic and not supporting the troops. BTW subrob, they already pray right nearby, there are Muslim prayers held in the Pentagon, for crying out loud (why should that be acceptable but not prayers a few blocks from ground zero), and there's another mosque 10 blocks away. Just how far away would you find acceptable? Why is NYC sacred ground, but not the Pentagon? Well, other than the fact that 3000 plus people died in NY, not to mention how many will die from the toxic clean up you mean? You'll have to go to NYC and ask the protesters themselves why. And if there's already a Mosque in the neighborhood, why build another?

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/22/2010 5:57:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 And if there's already a Mosque in the neighborhood, why build another? Why not?

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