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SaintIntensity -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:19:43 AM)
Priority should be given to American Christian organisations, so step in and make it happen all you whiners the Westboro Baptist Church would (I am sure) accept the offer on a NYC base with their sincerest thanks..... amen, America

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:20:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SaintIntensity Priority should be given to American Christian organisations, so step in and make it happen all you whiners the Westboro Baptist Church would (I am sure) accept the offer on a NYC base with their sincerest thanks..... amen, America Freaking funny.... thanks

thornhappy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:24:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub This showed up on a friends Facebook this morning. Good, bad or ugly, it captures my thoughts on this subject better than I could ever say my self. "After talking with a very good buddy, here's our conclusions about the Mosque @ Ground Zero - it is the same as putting a Shinto Temple by the USS Arizona Memorial, a KKK Meeting house near MLK's tombstone in Atlanta or a US Calvary Memorial @ Wounded Knee! Now, who doesn't understand the emotions that are reaching a b...oiling point by this insensitivity! Dumbshits - that's who's supporting this Mosque - get a clue" Strange, that the Facebook quote is almost identical to an editorial on Time magazine's web site. Guess what, folks. They already hold prayers in a building on the site. No one had a problem until the new plans came out.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:37:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy No, it wasn't founded as a Christian nation. The founders were well acquainted with the problems of state-supported religions in Europe. The government only gets involved with religious practice when laws are broken. How far away from the site would you consider appropriate? A mile? Off the island completely? Not really... The Founding Father's believed for the most part Religion = Christianty. While lip service may have been paid to Judiasm, it was likely the idea of Buddism, Hinduism or Islam ever being open and welcomed in an enlightened, Western Civilization would have seemed comical.

DCWoody -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:43:51 AM)
Learn your history Fatty, Christian/Islamic tolerance&cohabitation has been around since they have, whereever the borders met. Middle east mostly, but also Sicily (Islam living fine under christian rule) & Egypt (the reverse).

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:47:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: joether Yes, radical islamic terrorists are to Islam, what the KKK are to Christianity. I guess... if a score of predominately Christian Nation states, supported and funded the KKK and the KKK numbered in the millions and if the KKK had armies with modern weapons that included things that could take out thousands of people at time and if the KKK was working on atomic weapons... then sure.... I guess you could say that.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:49:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail uhhhhhhh............you should know that there is at least one shinto shrine in the vicinity of pearl harbor and it flys an american flag, several in honolulu, in fact. KKK and MLK? Not in the same universe as to be likened to this situation. same applies for wounded knee. It's well over five miles away from Pearl. If this Mosque and Cultural Center were five miles from Ground Zero, this would not be a story

flcouple2009 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:49:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls Use your common sense. No one would have said a word if the Mosque had been built before 9/11. Which explains why the Pentagon probably has a Mosque in it. 9/11 is a sacred site now, and it is completely disrespectful to build a mosque that looks down on this sacred site. Now if it were a 2 story Mosque, I doubt anyone would say a word, but this Mosque is of such magnitude that it seems obvious to people with common sense that it is purposely making a statement. Think about it. The Twin towers a symbol to America's capitalism is destroyed. But a Massive Mosque, looking down on the site will now be the sacred site. I highlighted that statement. The Mosque in the Pentagon was built less than a month after 9\11. Kinda renders your point mute doesn't it?

jlf1961 -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:49:48 AM)
Strangely enough, this protest is not limited to New York, people are protesting new mosques all over the country. Of course, why should religious freedom apply to Muslims?

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:56:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: servantforuse Obama seems intent on committing political suicide. This will not be forgotten in 2012. Because he is standing up for the constitution?? it will not be forgotton...you are right

Jeffff -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 11:56:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy It's well over five miles away from Pearl. If this Mosque and Cultural Center were five miles from Ground Zero, this would not be a story So then. 5 miles is your rule of thumb? How about 4?

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:01:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DCWoody Learn your history Fatty, Christian/Islamic tolerance&cohabitation has been around since they have, whereever the borders met. Middle east mostly, but also Sicily (Islam living fine under christian rule) & Egypt (the reverse). I guess that explains, the Crusades, the Moorish Wars in Spain, and The Balkans for the last what... 1000+ years

DCWoody -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:05:08 PM)
No, it doesn't. Learn to sequitor.

thornhappy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:07:02 PM)
Not only is there already a mosque on the site (Masjid Manhattan, four blocks from ground zero, founded in 1970), there's another one right nearby - Masjid al-Farah, which moved to its current location about 12 blocks from ground zero in 1985. So where is this disrespect, when they've been there all along? Would folks against the center demand that these 2 mosques be forced to relocate? Have any signs taken down?

housesub4you -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:08:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cuckoldmepls Use your common sense. No one would have said a word if the Mosque had been built before 9/11. Which explains why the Pentagon probably has a Mosque in it. 9/11 is a sacred site now, and it is completely disrespectful to build a mosque that looks down on this sacred site. Now if it were a 2 story Mosque, I doubt anyone would say a word, but this Mosque is of such magnitude that it seems obvious to people with common sense that it is purposely making a statement. Think about it. The Twin towers a symbol to America's capitalism is destroyed. But a Massive Mosque, looking down on the site will now be the sacred site. There is one in the Pentagon NOW, but none of these people or "parties" bitched them cause it was all about the money

thornhappy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:11:09 PM)
You did see the quote about the Treaty of Tripoli? And the Enlightenment held the following beliefs: " It stressed reason, logic, criticism and freedom of thought over dogma, blind faith and superstition. Logic wasn’t a new invention, having been used by the ancient Greeks, but it was now included in a worldview which argued that empirical observation and the examination of human life could reveal the truth behind human society and self, as well as the universe. All were deemed to be rational and understandable. The Enlightenment held that there could be a science of man, and that the history of mankind was one of progress, which could be continued with the right thinking. " quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy No, it wasn't founded as a Christian nation. The founders were well acquainted with the problems of state-supported religions in Europe. The government only gets involved with religious practice when laws are broken. How far away from the site would you consider appropriate? A mile? Off the island completely? Not really... The Founding Father's believed for the most part Religion = Christianty. While lip service may have been paid to Judiasm, it was likely the idea of Buddism, Hinduism or Islam ever being open and welcomed in an enlightened, Western Civilization would have seemed comical.

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:13:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Jeffff quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy It's well over five miles away from Pearl. If this Mosque and Cultural Center were five miles from Ground Zero, this would not be a story So then. 5 miles is your rule of thumb? How about 4? How about a half? If it was even half a mile up the street this would not be a story or an issue. You just said; quote: I think it is naive to consider the attack was aimed at anything other than the US. Well it's damn naive to think that this Mosque isn't a slap in the face to Americans. It's a freaking touchdown victory dance. Not quite as naive stating that the Ku Klux Klan is the Christian equivilant to Radical Islam but still plenty naive. That said, it's private property, its zoned properly, this is the United States of America and there is no good reason to legally deny the building of the Mosque. But stop pretending that this is all about peace love and understanding, this is in your face gamesmanship.

juliaoceania -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:19:08 PM)
quote: Well it's damn naive to think that this Mosque isn't a slap in the face to Americans. It's a freaking touchdown victory dance. I think it is a touchdown victory dance for Osama bin Laden that he fostered such hate and intolerance in OUR people... so much so that we are willing to violate our core principles because we are afraid of moderate Islam, something that he was trying to accomplish... We had much sympathy in the Muslim world after 9/11.... we squandered it by striking out at the wrong people and demonizing others that never wanted to harm us.... how very sad we are such sheep and so easy to manipulate

FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:21:24 PM)
I did not not say the US was "founded" on Christianity but in the mindset of the Founders, Buddism, Hindusim, Islam... we're cults at best and not Religions at all and they did not place in their "modern civilzation" at the time. quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy You did see the quote about the Treaty of Tripoli? And the Enlightenment held the following beliefs: " It stressed reason, logic, criticism and freedom of thought over dogma, blind faith and superstition. Logic wasn’t a new invention, having been used by the ancient Greeks, but it was now included in a worldview which argued that empirical observation and the examination of human life could reveal the truth behind human society and self, as well as the universe. All were deemed to be rational and understandable. The Enlightenment held that there could be a science of man, and that the history of mankind was one of progress, which could be continued with the right thinking. " quote: ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy quote: ORIGINAL: thornhappy No, it wasn't founded as a Christian nation. The founders were well acquainted with the problems of state-supported religions in Europe. The government only gets involved with religious practice when laws are broken. How far away from the site would you consider appropriate? A mile? Off the island completely? Not really... The Founding Father's believed for the most part Religion = Christianty. While lip service may have been paid to Judiasm, it was likely the idea of Buddism, Hinduism or Islam ever being open and welcomed in an enlightened, Western Civilization would have seemed comical.

Lucylastic -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 12:22:30 PM)
Excellent post Julia

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