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FatDomDaddy -> RE: Obama Makes Clear His Support for Mosque in near 9/11 (8/14/2010 2:13:13 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Aneirin
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ORIGINAL: FatDomDaddy
I did not not say the US was "founded" on Christianity but in the mindset of the Founders, Buddism, Hindusim, Islam... we're cults at best and not Religions at all and they did not place in their "modern civilzation" at the time.
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ORIGINAL: thornhappy
You did see the quote about the Treaty of Tripoli? And the Enlightenment held the following beliefs:
" It stressed reason, logic, criticism and freedom of thought over dogma, blind faith and superstition. Logic wasn’t a new invention, having been used by the ancient Greeks, but it was now included in a worldview which argued that empirical observation and the examination of human life could reveal the truth behind human society and self, as well as the universe. All were deemed to be rational and understandable. The Enlightenment held that there could be a science of man, and that the history of mankind was one of progress, which could be continued with the right thinking. "
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No, it wasn't founded as a Christian nation. The founders were well acquainted with the problems of state-supported religions in Europe. The government only gets involved with religious practice when laws are broken.
How far away from the site would you consider appropriate? A mile? Off the island completely?
Not really... The Founding Father's believed for the most part Religion = Christianty. While lip service may have been paid to Judiasm, it was likely the idea of Buddism, Hinduism or Islam ever being open and welcomed in an enlightened, Western Civilization would have seemed comical.
Cults ?
Let's take Hinduism for example, do you know how old that belief system is ?
It is the oldest known belief system in the world, the ancient Vedic civilisation practised it in the Indus valley 6000 years ago and then it was already an established religion. There is plenty of evidence to show it went back into prehistoric times, i.e., before Christianity and it's offshoot Islam.
Buddhism, about sixth century BCE, so that leaves Christianity and Islam as the youngest and the most trouble over the past two thousand years. Islam and Christianity having their similarites, which basically means Islam is Christianity and vice versa, they arrive from the same source.
Yes... if you could go back in time as ask ...ahhh... I duno pick Charles Carroll what he thought of Shinto Buddism or the Veneration of Shiva, he would likely tell you they were not Religion in the real sense like Christianity but Cults and then he would likely say they have no place in an enlightened civilization. While you there ask him to define milita.
(*the former was light hearted attempt at levity to prove a point and in no way meant to portray Charles Carroll's acutal words...so if some of you got personally offened and have your panties in a bunch, by all means remove them)
They also counted black slaves as 3/5th of a human being and that the white race was given special Providence from God to civilize the planet.
See... the Founding Fathers were a unique bunch and yes... that means thier thoughts and ideas often seemed in contradiction with each other. Like all men are created equal (but some will be counded as less so)
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