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Brain -> Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/17/2010 10:10:22 PM)

This pisses me off, this ridiculous. And Sanity saying, “It’s not so bad.” Yeah right!

Mark Stewart, a third generation fisherman from Ocean Springs, Mississippi, and BP vessel of opportunity worker, reports “purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field and tar balls as big as a car.”



FTA:
"Last week oil filled this harbor," the man, an ex-commercial fisherman added. "BP has bought off all our government officials, and shut them up. You can't say the oil is gone, it's right here!
Them saying it's not here is a bunch of bullshit."

A resident, who has a yacht in the harbor, spoke with Truthout on condition of anonymity due to fears of reprisal from BP. "Last week we were sitting on our boat and you could smell the chemicals," he explained. "It smelt like death. It was like mosquito spray, but ten times stronger. The next day I was hoarse and my lungs felt like I'd been in a smoky bar the night before."

Uncovering the Lies That Are Sinking the Oil

The rampant use of toxic dispersants, out-of-state private contractors being brought in to spray them and US Coast Guard complicity are common stories now in the four states most affected by BP's Gulf of Mexico oil disaster.

Commercial and charter fishermen, residents and members of BP's Vessels Of Opportunity (VOO) program in Florida, Alabama, Mississippi and Louisiana have spoken with Truthout about their witnessing all of these incidents.

On Monday, August 9, the Director of the State of Mississippi Department of Marine Resources (DMR), Bill Walker, despite ongoing reports of tar balls, oil and dispersants being found in Mississippi waters, declared, "there should be no new threats" and issued an order for all local coast governments to halt ongoing oil disaster work being funded by BP money that was granted to the state.

Mississippi residents and fishermen Truthout spoke with believe Walker's move was from an order given by Gov. Haley Barbour, who has been heavily criticized over the years for his lobbying on behalf of the Tobacco and Oil industries.

Their method was simple - they tied an absorbent rag to a weighted hook, dropped it overboard for a short duration of time, then pulled it up to find the results. The rags were covered in a brown, oily substance that the fishermen identified as a mix of BP's crude oil and toxic dispersants.

Shortly thereafter, Catfish Miller took the samples to a community meeting in nearby D'Iberville to show fishermen and families. At the meeting, fishermen unanimously supported a petition calling for the firing of Dr. Walker, the head of Mississippi's DMR, who is responsible for opening the fishing grounds.

http://www.truth-out.org/uncovering-lies-that-are-sinking-oil62345

James "Catfish" Miller, Mississippi commercial fisherman-turned-whistleblower. (Photo: Erika Blumenfeld © 2010)James "Catfish" Miller, Mississippi commercial fisherman-turned-whistleblower. (Photo: Erika Blumenfeld © 2010)


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truckinslave -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/17/2010 10:53:33 PM)

Pity the guy with the yacht couldn't afford a camera.
When are the other folks going to get theirs fixed.

There are no secrets possible anymore.



rulemylife -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/17/2010 11:37:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

Pity the guy with the yacht couldn't afford a camera.
When are the other folks going to get theirs fixed.

There are no secrets possible anymore.


As the sign asks, why would they lie?

Do they have anything to benefit by claiming oil is there when it is not?

Does BP have anything to benefit by claiming oil is not there?



truckinslave -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/17/2010 11:41:18 PM)

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Do they have anything to benefit by claiming oil is there when it is not?


Who knows? The first possibilities that pop into my mind:

1. Publicity
2. Revenge
3. Work on a BP-funded cleanup boat
3. Increase the strength of some claim against BP.

Why wouldn't they take/post pictures?????



Marini -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 3:24:48 AM)


Awww, don't worry about it.
The government would never lie to us, go buy all the seafood you can find tonight.
Try to make sure it came from the Gulf of Mexico.
[8|]



Sanity -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 3:37:49 AM)


Your first clue should have been the source because "Truthout" is about as Orwellian a name for an organization as there is!

"Truthout" is all about spewing leftist propaganda and lies. Why do they lie? As if its really a mystery - they lie to try to further their political goals. Happily though, in this the Internet age, intelligent people are able to see through them and know them for what they are.

Something thats amusing about this whole blowout aftermath is the way so many of you on the far left are gasping for oil...

You want your oil, you DEMAND your oil in the gulf and the fact that its just not there angers you.

While you would like everyone to believe that your concern here is with the environment, its apparent that the only thing the far left really cares about in this instance is sabotaging our collective ability to enjoy the various fruits of inexpensive and abundant energy.

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ORIGINAL: rulemylife
As the sign asks, why would they lie?

Do they have anything to benefit by claiming oil is there when it is not?

Does BP have anything to benefit by claiming oil is not there?





flcouple2009 -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 5:36:57 AM)

Oh poor Sanity, you are not one to be attacking any sources.  One of your favorite things to do is post opinion pieces and try to pass them off as news.

That said.

WTF?  Purple jelly 3 feet thick on the water?  Is this the sequel to the blob.  Now it comes by water, opening summer 2012.  Nobody had a camera, a camera phone, anything to drop over the side to collect a specimen, or at the least nothing stuck to the hull?  Did the writer doing the interviews conduct them by phone?  How about a simple, "let's get on your boat and you can take me out to where you saw it".  What did they measure it with to know it is 3 ft thick?

But

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_sc/us_gulf_oil_spill_329

How much oil is lurking under the surface is a good question.  I suspect we'll find out soon enough.



thishereboi -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 6:10:03 AM)

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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009
WTF?  Purple jelly 3 feet thick on the water?  Is this the sequel to the blob.  Now it comes by water, opening summer 2012.  Nobody had a camera, a camera phone, anything to drop over the side to collect a specimen, or at the least nothing stuck to the hull?  Did the writer doing the interviews conduct them by phone?  How about a simple, "let's get on your boat and you can take me out to where you saw it".  What did they measure it with to know it is 3 ft thick?

But

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100818/ap_on_sc/us_gulf_oil_spill_329

How much oil is lurking under the surface is a good question.  I suspect we'll find out soon enough.



That is a good question. Unfortunately, I doubt we will know the full extent any time soon. It scares me to think how bad this is going to screw things up down there.


Oh and Louve, not sure why you said you wouldn't stoop to insults after typing a post that was nothing but insults. Seems kinda silly to me.



Sanity -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 6:24:27 AM)


Significant amounts of oil and natural gas seep into the marine environment naturally, especially off of California and in the Gulf of Mexico, so try and relax a little.

The BP spill is not the end of the world.

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/blogs/j/d/jdf15/2010/05/back-when-this-all-first.php

http://oils.gpa.unep.org/facts/natural-sources.htm

http://www.boemre.gov/omm/pacific/enviro/seeps1.htm



Louve00 -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 6:47:23 AM)

boi, because I was a helluva lot sarcastic that what you read here.  I toned my "insults" down.  But really, you can call them insults.  (Ok, maybe the bit about the decoder rings was a bit childish).  But Sanity's claim that all is well and good, and its the fault of the left when its not the fault of the left or right, its BP's fault, is what I've been trying to say.  Sanity...cuckyman....trucknslave all defend that company as if they were the CEO's.  All BP's trying to do is play damage control so when fines are dished out they're cut some slack.  I believe in taking responsibility for your screw ups.  In fact, if you me....OR Sanity and et al did not, we would all be made to take that responsibility.  So why does a company who can certainly afford to get so much "its ok....we on the right understand" sympathy??  I just don't get it.  Its NOT a left or right thing til the left or right make it such.  What it is is pollution.  I don't think anybody really wants that.  So why defend it?



Sanity -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 6:58:11 AM)


BPs CEO stepped down and theyve spent billions and billions to try to make amends, so what more are you demanding of them? Especially since we now know that the real damage due to the accident has been hysterically blown all out of proportion. Even Obama is telling us its safe to swim in the Gulf, and eat the seafood... so what is it that youre wanting out of BP exactly? 



Sanity -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:04:15 AM)


I love the picture feature, visual aids make simple concepts even simpler to explain.



[image]http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/CNBC/Sections/News_And_Analysis/_News/_TEMPLATES/_SLIDESHOWS/VisualizingTheOilSpill/SS_Oil_Spill_visualized_football.jpg[/image]


What Does 184 Million Gallons of Oil Look Like?



Archer -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:07:29 AM)

Fast Reply.

I'm not trying to put blame anywhere with this only to put question into the reports of toxic vapors in air reports.

Taken from the OSHA oil spill clean up page online

Exposure to Toxic Chemicals. To determine whether or not workers are exposed to dangerous levels of toxic chemicals, OSHA is conducting its own independent air monitoring both on shore and on the cleanup vessels and is reviewing data from BP, the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA). To date, no air sampling by OSHA has detected any hazardous chemical at levels of concern.

This statement from Obama's OSHA who have certainly been anything but business friendly, would pretty much tell me that the claims of toxic air are likely not all that reliable. And this isn't OSHA saying that BP's air monitoring results showed this but that their own OSHA air monitoring.

I have little doubt that the subsurface emulsion of oil and water that is being reported is a result of the dispersant. It has partially broken up the oil and caused it to reach the point where it emulsifies. I do find that the stories and the reports have been stated in terms that tend to either minimize or maximize the outrage, depending on the editorial slant of the source. Very few stories that have been neutral and objective as far as I have seen. disperant is great for getting the oil to start breaking down, but it does not and never has done much more than that. It's not designed to do much more than that. Sometimes I think it would be better to have left it un dispersed so that it is easier to find and clean up when it comes time?









Archer -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:14:28 AM)

Sanity the problem with such examples is they don't tell the whole story.

Such details as One gallon of crude oil can pollute over 600,000 gallons of water to the unsafe for human consumption levels.

So redo the picture with 11 trillion gallons of water too toxic to support life, and then you'll have a better idea of what damage could be. Next play a football game and Kill or injure every player who runs through that part of the field.



Sanity -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:19:09 AM)


As I pointed out earlier though, significant amounts of oil occur naturally in the Gulf of Mexico already.

Also, the leakage was sweet crude, which in a warm environment such as the Gulf of Mexico breaks down and disperses in a relatively rapid manner. 

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ORIGINAL: Archer

Sanity the problem with such examples is they don't tell the whole story.

Such details as One gallon of crude oil can pollute over 600,000 gallons of water to the unsafe for human consumption levels.





mnottertail -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:19:40 AM)

Yeah, and the fact that the spill size is originally on the order of 10 Exxon Valdez's.

So, even if 75% of it has mysteriously disappeared..............

Anyway, this thing about dispersants, where did it disperse to?

Yeah, I don't know about the purple jelly, anybody know what smuckers been up to lately, anyone heard anything in the liberal media on welches?



truckinslave -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:22:08 AM)

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trucknslave all defend that company as if they were the CEO's


Huh?

BP is utterly responsible, and not just for the pollution but, quite possibly, for the loss of life on the rig.

I just don't want to see American oil production shut down.



Archer -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:31:36 AM)

Sanity I used to work for ARCO and I have been out there as an Oil Spill Cleanup crew member before. I know about seeps I know about sweet vs sour crude, I know about all sorts of things, and I'm hardly a liberal attack dog when it comes to the Oil Companies, you know this.

I'm telling you that we have the potential for 11 trillion gallons of water contaminated enough to kill or sicken the life that crosses through it. Not 200 million gallons but 11 Trillion gallons of water polluted. I'm not a fan of dispersants because they don't remove the oil from the water. They simply break the oil molecules apart and bind them to a water molecule instead of to each other. Not a terrible thing when applied to small spills, but when applied to large spills I (in my professional opinion as an Environmental Consultant) find them to actually work against the clean up goals.





Sanity -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:39:19 AM)


The Gulf water isnt static, it mixes with the rest of the oceans and so the diluted and dispersed spill will continue to be diluted and dispersed dramatically.

And again, oil is a natural part of the environment.







flcouple2009 -> RE: Purple looking jelly stuff, three feet thick, floating all over, as wide as a football field says (8/18/2010 7:41:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


As I pointed out earlier though, significant amounts of oil occur naturally in the Gulf of Mexico already.

Also, the leakage was sweet crude, which in a warm environment such as the Gulf of Mexico breaks down and disperses in a relatively rapid manner. 

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Sanity the problem with such examples is they don't tell the whole story.

Such details as One gallon of crude oil can pollute over 600,000 gallons of water to the unsafe for human consumption levels.





Yes many toxic substances exist naturally in nature.  Small releases spread out over wide areas may add up to a large amount over an extended period of time. 

There really is no comparison to that and a large concentrated amount dumped into a smaller area quickly.



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