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But the way they treat their own people, mainly the women, makes me think of their societies (most of the ones under theocratic rule at least) as little more than barbaric.

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ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus

Women being treated as property once they're married makes me shake my head.

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ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus

Now, I'm stepping out on a ledge here. As much as it pains me to say this as a free-thinking and open-minded young raptor man... after a conversation with my father (the big Dino upstairs, ya know?) I've come to the conclusion that I'm an Islamophobe.

Please no other people sharing that viewpoint post in here. I don't want to spark a debate. The intent of this post is to hear one side, maybe provide a "How?" or "why?" to that and see where it goes. This is for my benefit, not for anyone to pick fights.

It's not even 9/11 that causes me to feel this way. That actually has very little bearing on my thoughts. That was an act of war/terror carried out by extremists. The majority of Muslims don't condone it. Understandable.

But the way they treat their own people, mainly the women, makes me think of their societies (most of the ones under theocratic rule at least) as little more than barbaric. I know it's not the case in some of the countries in the middle east, like Dubai (which has its own issues of being an infrastructure based on slave labor).

The murders of homosexuals and any "deviants" terrifies me. The calls to murder anyone who defiles the name of their prophet sickens me (even a woman who names a teddy bear muhammed deserves to die?). The fact that "honor killings" are an accepted practice bugs the fuck out of me.

Women being treated as property once they're married makes me shake my head. I know it's not the case with all and my views may be slanted, but it seems to be the case with most according to what I've seen in the media at least.

I want to know if this is all extreme stuff blown out of proportion (which not ALL of it could be) or if people are just being PC when they preach that it's a way of peace and whatnot.

Thank ya.

Edited to add: Mentions of 1800's America or 1950's America won't do anything to sway me. That's not what I'm asking.

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ORIGINAL: GotSteel

Seeing as we have a rather noticeable lack of Islamic posters around here perhaps you'd be better off having this discussion in an Islamic forum like this one: http://www.gawaher.com/

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"Bitches and Ho's In My Burkas, Cuz Thats How I Rolls"

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You see barbarism in their culture, they probably see barbarism in ours. Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, etc. - cut up Frankenstein women walking around half naked and intoxicated posing for cameras

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
Yes. They do hate the excesses of Western freedoms.
And want to impose sharia in its stead.

Hard not to see the barbarism in that.

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
Yes. They do hate the excesses of Western freedoms.
And want to impose sharia in its stead.

Hard not to see the barbarism in that.

The extremists want to impose sharia the same way some politicians in the US run on platforms of "Christian values"...I'd imagine the majority of Muslims living in the Middle East aren't terribly interested in conquering or changing a country across the ocean. Muslim progressives in places like Morocco or the UAE who are in love with the skyscrapers and business suits are still unlikely to want to import much of American culture or values, and even more traditional Muslims probably just regard the US with disdain rather than actively wanting to pursue jihad.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave

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You see barbarism in their culture, they probably see barbarism in ours. Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, etc. - cut up Frankenstein women walking around half naked and intoxicated posing for cameras

Yes. They do hate the excesses of Western freedoms.
And want to impose sharia in its stead.

Hard not to see the barbarism in that.

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ORIGINAL: truckinslave
Yes. They do hate the excesses of Western freedoms.
And want to impose sharia in its stead.

Hard not to see the barbarism in that.

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But either way if TheRaptoreJesus wants a better understanding of the positions of Muslims talking to actual Muslims will probably be more helpful than talking to us.