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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/1/2010 3:06:43 PM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/1/2010 3:11:32 PM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/1/2010 4:53:33 PM   
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Islam itself is entirely incompatible with tolerance, with Democracy, and with Western ideals of freedom.

Just like the Christian Bible.


What I'm trying to get across is that while the Qur'an certainly has passages that aren't remotely compatible with tolerance or secular freedom the Bible also has equivalent passages. Just as Christianity has gone through reformation and evolution to become tolerant(ish) and compatible(ish) with Western freedoms, Islam can not only do the same, it is and has already been doing so.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/1/2010 4:55:26 PM   
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I think you may have missed my point. Here it is again:

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Islam itself is entirely incompatible with tolerance, with Democracy, and with Western ideals of freedom.

Just like the Christian Bible.


What I'm trying to get across is that while the Qur'an certainly has passages that aren't remotely compatible with tolerance or secular freedom the Bible also has equivalent passages. Just as Christianity has gone through reformation and evolution to become tolerant(ish) and compatible(ish) with Western freedoms, Islam can not only do the same, it is and has already been doing so.



Other than in the US, where has it been doing so?

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/1/2010 5:01:27 PM   
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Other than in the US, where has it been doing so?



Lets see, Europe, Turkey, Lebanon, to name a few.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/1/2010 5:43:44 PM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/1/2010 6:07:19 PM   
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I think you may have missed my point...

I stand corrected, then. Thank you. And moreover, I agree with you.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/1/2010 6:21:52 PM   
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Other than in the US, where has it been doing so?



Lets see, Europe, Turkey, Lebanon, to name a few.


Europe...in pockets, in general not so at all. That is why euro governments are finally waking up and establishing/enforcing laws to stem the tide of Islamic fundamentalists. Turkey did indeed moderate to reconcile with a secular majority. Unfortunately there has been a major swing back toward fundamentalism. Lebanon never moved much, the always more moderate Shia gained more of a voice, thats about it.

But more importantly, even many Muslims agree with Andrew Breitbart that there is no such thing as "moderate Islam".

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 5:37:54 AM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 5:41:13 AM   
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Then what do you call the Muslims living in Europe and other areas who are perfectly content NOT to have sharia law and who are integrating with western culture?



I'm not sure what anyone else calls them, but fundamentalist Muslims call them infidels.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 9:19:17 AM   
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Then what do you call the Muslims living in Europe and other areas who are perfectly content NOT to have sharia law and who are integrating with western culture?



I'm not sure what anyone else calls them, but fundamentalist Muslims call them infidels.



Excellent first post, though I don't think the qualifier "fundamentalist" is needed.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 9:21:56 AM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 10:25:00 AM   
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"Phobic" denotes "fear" or "fear of."
I don't think that's an accurate term, like "homophobic" it seems to be a catchall.
I'm not "afraid" of islam I simply don't like it or want anything to do with it.
There's no law that says everyone has to "like" something.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 10:35:39 AM   
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I'm not sure what anyone else calls them, but fundamentalist Muslims call them infidels.



Excellent first post, though I don't think the qualifier "fundamentalist" is needed.


Two very sad and uneducated posts, neither bears much reality of Muslims living within Europe.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 12:42:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Politesub, it boils down to the simple fact that islamophobs really do not want to admit that fundamentalist Muslims are a minority, while at the same time they will claim that fundamentalist Christians do not speak for all Christians.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 3:36:33 PM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 3:53:38 PM   
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I don't like or respect any religion.
"Phobic" denotes "fear" or "fear of."
I don't think that's an accurate term, like "homophobic" it seems to be a catchall.
I'm not "afraid" of islam I simply don't like it or want anything to do with it.
There's no law that says everyone has to "like" something.


No there isn't, but the least you could do, if they are not harming you personally, is give 'em a break, live and let live and all that.

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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 4:25:28 PM   
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You keep throwing that word around and its bullshit, none of the posters here are "islamophobs" as you say. You though, have an obvious unfounded fear of anyone disagreeing with your extreme views... which is a known symptom of narcissism.

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Politesub, it boils down to the simple fact that islamophobs really do not want to admit that fundamentalist Muslims are a minority, while at the same time they will claim that fundamentalist Christians do not speak for all Christians.


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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 4:34:26 PM   
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RE: Islamophobia in America - 9/2/2010 4:41:12 PM   
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Any hatred we do see towards Muslims here cant hold a candle to all the Christian bashing that goes on, but even at that youre confusing a willingness to discuss the various aspects of radical Islam and Shariah law realistically with  a hatred towards all Muslims that for the most part doesnt exist.


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