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ORIGINAL: Badmanbad

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Then what do you call the Muslims living in Europe and other areas who are perfectly content NOT to have sharia law and who are integrating with western culture?

I'm not sure what anyone else calls them, but fundamentalist Muslims call them infidels.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Your kidding yourself if you think that.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


No youre kidding yourself.

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Your kidding yourself if you think that.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

There are those who would try to brand me a "hater" or an "Islamaphobe" for daring to speak it, but Apostates would be the word you seem to be looking for.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Politesub, the right will be the first to admit that FUNDAMENTALIST Christians do NOT speak for the entire Christian right. Yet they are so ANTI-MUSLIM that the will group all Muslims into the same "fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist" group.

Some on these boards are proving the point, and others on the right that may disagree are not making a point to speak up against the misconception. It would seem that the right must present a solid block of opinion, regardless of how they may actually feel.

Like I posted earlier, perhaps President Bush should have declared war on Islam, it would seem that if he had, people on the right would not have protested the idea.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


You keep throwing that word around and its bullshit, none of the posters here are "islamophobs" as you say. You though, have an obvious unfounded fear of anyone disagreeing with your extreme views... which is a known symptom of narcissism.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Politesub, it boils down to the simple fact that islamophobs really do not want to admit that fundamentalist Muslims are a minority, while at the same time they will claim that fundamentalist Christians do not speak for all Christians.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Thats not even a good strawman argument, its simply untrue. Nobody here is suggesting that all Muslims are terrorists.

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I think a good portion of the population of the US would also agree that islam needs to clean itself up before presenting itself to the world as a peaceful and compassionate religion. It's kinda like... combing your hair, scrubbing your face, and donning a new pair of pants but wearing shoes covered in dog crap.

And yes, we all know how bad Christians have been in the past. I say that, because someone will inevitably link some event from a few centuries ago to highlight reasons why we should all sing camp songs with the one religion most equated with violent activities in the world today.

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Read any of the news out of north Africa in the past couple decades.

I wonder about, and do not comprehend, the mind that uses ancient history to set up a false moral equivalence to current hatred and atrocity.

Bizarre.

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That's exactly right.
They want their worldwide caliphate, they are willing to fight for it. The balloon will go up, and I cannot stop it.
Worldwide religious war is on the way.

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Actually, some in this thread have done just that.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Politesub, the right will be the first to admit that FUNDAMENTALIST Christians do NOT speak for the entire Christian right. Yet they are so ANTI-MUSLIM that the will group all Muslims into the same "fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist" group.

Some on these boards are proving the point, and others on the right that may disagree are not making a point to speak up against the misconception. It would seem that the right must present a solid block of opinion, regardless of how they may actually feel.

Like I posted earlier, perhaps President Bush should have declared war on Islam, it would seem that if he had, people on the right would not have protested the idea.

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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Actually, some in this thread have done just that.

That is because some of the people on cm are bigoted assholes. As someone who is constantly painting the right with the same brush, I would think you would understand this better than most. Like this post here....

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Politesub, the right will be the first to admit that FUNDAMENTALIST Christians do NOT speak for the entire Christian right. Yet they are so ANTI-MUSLIM that the will group all Muslims into the same "fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist" group.

Some on these boards are proving the point, and others on the right that may disagree are not making a point to speak up against the misconception. It would seem that the right must present a solid block of opinion, regardless of how they may actually feel.

Like I posted earlier, perhaps President Bush should have declared war on Islam, it would seem that if he had, people on the right would not have protested the idea.

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ORIGINAL: Badmanbad

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Then what do you call the Muslims living in Europe and other areas who are perfectly content NOT to have sharia law and who are integrating with western culture?

I'm not sure what anyone else calls them, but fundamentalist Muslims call them infidels.

Actually that is an inaccuracy. An infidel  is the english translation of a word kafir which comes from the root kufr which means to cover. Someone who doesnt believe in Islam is called a kafir (unbeliever).
There is no term for those who integrate. I dont know which "fundamental" muslims you  have spoken to.

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That is because some of the people on cm are bigoted assholes. As someone who is constantly painting the right with the same brush, I would think you would understand this better than most.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

At that point, Sanity, they have simply admitted that they have no position to argue and are conceding.

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Thank you for the correction.  As I don't speak Arabic, Turkish, or Farsi, all the conversations I've ever had with Muslims have been in English. 

As for which Muslims I've spoken to, I had the pleasure of meeting quite a few during my tour in Lebanon with the Second Marine Division.  For the record, I generally enjoyed the charm and friendly hospitality shown to Americans in Lebanon, by both Christians and Muslims - until Hezbollah (operating under orders from, and with assistance provided by, the Islamic Republic of Iran) detonated a suicide bomb which killed 220 of my fellow Marines while they were sleeping.

For the most part, the Muslims I met in Lebanon (and later in life in Egypt and Turkey) were simply people like me.  Born into a different culture, yes, but trying desperately to make a better life for themselves and their families in horribly tragic circumstances not of their making nor under their control.  But, I also met a few Muslims who believed that the United States was the epitome of evil, an abomination to their God, and who celebrated the death of the infidels who had soiled their country with their very presence.

And again, for the record, I honestly have never considered myself "Islamaphobic".  I am, however, "Radical-Anything-phobic."

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Thats not even a good strawman argument, its simply untrue. Nobody here is suggesting that all Muslims are terrorists.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Politesub, the right will be the first to admit that FUNDAMENTALIST Christians do NOT speak for the entire Christian right. Yet they are so ANTI-MUSLIM that the will group all Muslims into the same "fundamentalist, extremist, terrorist" group.

Some on these boards are proving the point, and others on the right that may disagree are not making a point to speak up against the misconception. It would seem that the right must present a solid block of opinion, regardless of how they may actually feel.