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joether -> RE: Islamophobia in America (9/3/2010 1:47:17 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
You really do not get it.
There are things that as humans we just do not do. I gave a couple of examples, Gettysburg and Treblinka. Have you looked those up?
Like torturing prisoners, taken during combat operations four months previous, for information that is completely out of date, for the hell of it? I seem to recall Republicans using the excuse 'the ends justify the means', for doing an Un-American practice. Were those prisoners given a lawyer and allowed fair trial for what ever crime(s) they weren't accused of doing (but being locked up and tortured for)?
If some confederate leaning, guy wants to set up a gun store in Gettysburg, he has to follow what ever laws and rules pertain to the city of Gettysburg and the State of Pennsylvania. Given its a gun store, there are federal rules that have to be followed as well. Would anyone think twice about it? Probablly not. If the guy has better prices then the other confederate gunshop down the street, all the better.
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
Do you understand how something becomes, "hollowed ground" or "sacrosanct"? Let me give you a clue, 3000 people were mass murdered there.
Your arguement is flawed.
Yes, someone declares it. Of course, if that was true, no American could step foot in to Hiroshima and Nagasaki (take a wild guess why). 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000 in Nagasaki lost their lives. And you yourself, should be on the bandwagon of 'No Americans near Hiroshima & Nagasaki'!
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ORIGINAL: Aylee
No religious centers.
If I wanted to set up a church to Christ across from 'Ground Zero', I would be allowed to do so under the law. You can protest all you want; I'll even come out with fresh lemonade in the summer for you and your protesters, and offer to 'wait in the lobby' for twenty minutes every hour, on the coldest of Nor'Easters in the winter. Of course, if you accept either, your a hypocrit. I wouldnt do it, to prove you a hypocrit; but because I believe there is something more important in life then your pettiness.
Likewise, those who own the property right now, are US Citizens. They have a right, same as myself, to establish a religious center at the location. I myself, would ask to sit down with them as a fellow American, and talk with them in a reasoned manner. Listen to their ideas, and express my concerns. If my concerns are enough, that they decide building the mosque would be unwise, they dont go forth with that aspect. If their ideas are sound, truthful, and honest, I'll respect their wishs. That, Aylee, is how problems get resolved in America. Both sides, come to the table, are reasonible, polite, patient, and even generous to the other. Isn't that how we as Americans should behave towards our fellow citizens?
Compare that with how conservatives have dealt with muslims at that location? Its completely night & day in comparison. If I blame the owners of the building, for 9/11, I'd have to fully blame conservatives for 4/19/1995 in Oklahoma City. My belief, is that conservatives should learn, to never allow their fringe side to control the whole of them. Unfortunately, that bit of wisdom has seem to have gone, unlearned, for conservatives over fifteen years and a few months.
Likewise, if you want to blame a philosophy for 9/11/2001, then you should be blaming yourself, for 4/19/1995. And frankly, Aylee, I do not see you, or ANY other conservatives doing that. There is a word in the English langauge that best discribes this concept: hypocrit!
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