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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/24/2010 3:05:42 AM   
Firebirdseeking


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Status: offline 		If jewelry interferes with the safety and well being of ANYONE for any reason, it should come off.  So, a sub/slave or master should not take a job as a mechanic or as a baker because the wedding ring would need to come off to preserve the integrity of the fingers? 

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/24/2010 8:55:42 AM   
slavekal


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Status: offline 		My chain comes off when necessary...like for flying.  If I get back into judo, which I plan to do, it will have to be removed for classes.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 1:09:09 AM   
MistressRouge


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Some rules just have to be adhered to, I am sure Owners and Dominants would appreciate this, and not have find it a major problem.

After all, it the safety aspect, why jewellery has to be removed before martial arts training.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 5:52:35 AM   
Aynne88


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ORIGINAL: crazyml


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ORIGINAL: sweetsub1957

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I always, absolutely always, 24/7 wear my collar(it's a specific necklace w/ an engraved heart) 24/7 and it never comes off. It never will come off either, regardless of an activity. I've actually forgone going to family baby showers because my sister insisted that it come off.

~sweetsub~


I really do respect your commitment to your D, and your collar. If I were the collaring kind of Dom (which as it happens I'm not) and I was lucky enough to have a sub as committed as you, I would order her to remove it temporarily in order to attend her sister's baby shower.



What kind of a Dom would want his property to miss seeing beloved family members or events over a collar, which really sounds very much like a vanilla necklace to me. I mean if it's a necklace with an engraved heart how is that so offensive that is has to come off to attend a baby shower? I feel like I am missing something more here sweetsub. You couldn't wear a scarf, or a turtleneck, or something to cover it? Why exactly would a necklace cause so much of a hoopla that you couldn't attend a family shower?

To Aqua, I love my custom made neckpieces and I don't like not wearing one, but it isn't that huge of a deal because when I have to remove them for swimming, the gym, etc., I still hold him in my heart as the real thing, I kind of think sunshine summed it up perfectly. The only time he even comments is if we are going out, he definitely wants me to wear certain pieces then, but he would never be so insecure to insist on symbolic jewelry if it caused me not to attend family events or certain classes, etc.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 6:35:09 AM   
NuevaVida


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Status: offline 		Mr Man encourages me to participate in life, rather than for me to be restricted from it, especially due to a symbol.  The collar I currently have is only worn at home when his daughter isn't there.  While there has been talk of putting something around my neck that could be publicly worn without issue, I am fairly sure he would not mind its removal for something that's going to enhance my life.

I'd ask him, of course, and he'd make that call, but removing it wouldn't kill my interest in a particular subject.


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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 6:47:16 AM   
mistoferin


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Status: offline 		I don't have to remove my collar very often but...I'm not any less collared when I do. Physically removing a collar because of a situation that necessitates doing so doesn't have any bearing on it's symbolism or the relationship it represents.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 8:10:12 AM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
What kind of a Dom would want his property to miss seeing beloved family members or events over a collar, which really sounds very much like a vanilla necklace to me. I mean if it's a necklace with an engraved heart how is that so offensive that is has to come off to attend a baby shower? I feel like I am missing something more here sweetsub. You couldn't wear a scarf, or a turtleneck, or something to cover it? Why exactly would a necklace cause so much of a hoopla that you couldn't attend a family shower?


Thank you for asking! I've been wondering this myself... I don't think I could be with a person who would rather me miss family events than take off the collar for a few minutes. I could see for a class or something but significant family events? o.O Plus it sounds like a necklace that I got as a gift from my Mom so I'm kinda wondering how the sister even knew that it was a collar.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 6:27:21 PM   
NuevaVida


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
What kind of a Dom would want his property to miss seeing beloved family members or events over a collar, which really sounds very much like a vanilla necklace to me. I mean if it's a necklace with an engraved heart how is that so offensive that is has to come off to attend a baby shower? I feel like I am missing something more here sweetsub. You couldn't wear a scarf, or a turtleneck, or something to cover it? Why exactly would a necklace cause so much of a hoopla that you couldn't attend a family shower?


Thank you for asking! I've been wondering this myself... I don't think I could be with a person who would rather me miss family events than take off the collar for a few minutes. I could see for a class or something but significant family events? o.O Plus it sounds like a necklace that I got as a gift from my Mom so I'm kinda wondering how the sister even knew that it was a collar.


My take on it was different.  I wonder what kind of sister says "Don't come to a family baby shower that celebrates the love of family, if you're going to where that particular necklace."  I probably wouldn't go, just on principle.


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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 6:31:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Quick story (not mine).

The couple was M/s poly.  She wore a livestock tag in her ear as the property symbol.  She got a job and they wouldn't let her wear the tag at work.  He granted permission to remove it at work.  It didn't cause an undue stress to either of them. 


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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 6:33:56 PM   
Aynne88


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I can see that but the way the necklace was described it certainly sounds vanilla in appearance and innoucous enough so why did the sister even have to know it represented a D/s relationship unless told? Also, like I said earlier, there are a hundred ways to cover a necklace for a family event. This appears to me to be needless drama that didn't need to occur, and I do think it's sad when this kind of stuff has a bearing on family time when we all know that is not forever. I wouldn't fathom letting a necklace keep my from my sister's baby shower. I also woudn't be with a man that allowed that, but hey, I am clever enough to *not* tell me family what my jewelry signifies because it is none of their business, and I a also clever enough that if I did slip up and tell, I could easily cover it for a family event. I have been doing that with tattoos for years not. Problem solved.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/25/2010 6:49:12 PM   
Chrisincuffs


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Status: offline 		My Master and I have had conversations similar to this and this is why I wear a bracelet instead of a collar. It is a white gold chain that has no clasp and has to be cut off to be removed. This works very well for us and I never have to worry about removing it for any vanilla reasons. The only time I was asked to remove it was when I had surgery recently. I whined a bit and the nurse just hid it under my hospital bracelets, lol. If it were a safety hazard my Master would expect me to remove it, and I wouldn't have to ask first. He would view that as me taking care of His property which is expected of me to begin with.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/26/2010 9:27:01 AM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

My take on it was different.  I wonder what kind of sister says "Don't come to a family baby shower that celebrates the love of family, if you're going to where that particular necklace."  I probably wouldn't go, just on principle.



Oh I've been wondering that as well. But, with such a "vanilla" sounding collar, I'm curious how the sister knew in the first place and what her objection was to it.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/26/2010 9:33:00 AM   
AquaticSub


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ORIGINAL: Chrisincuffs

My Master and I have had conversations similar to this and this is why I wear a bracelet instead of a collar. It is a white gold chain that has no clasp and has to be cut off to be removed. This works very well for us and I never have to worry about removing it for any vanilla reasons. The only time I was asked to remove it was when I had surgery recently. I whined a bit and the nurse just hid it under my hospital bracelets, lol. If it were a safety hazard my Master would expect me to remove it, and I wouldn't have to ask first. He would view that as me taking care of His property which is expected of me to begin with.


To be a part of my classes, you would have to remove it. It's not just for your safety but for the people you are partnered with. No whining allowed. *chuckles* Would that cause you to lose interest in the activity?

Athough I think you may have inspired me to make a new post. I have a question for you that would likely derail my thread.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/26/2010 10:15:12 AM   
Daddysredhead


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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: Aynne88
What kind of a Dom would want his property to miss seeing beloved family members or events over a collar, which really sounds very much like a vanilla necklace to me. I mean if it's a necklace with an engraved heart how is that so offensive that is has to come off to attend a baby shower? I feel like I am missing something more here sweetsub. You couldn't wear a scarf, or a turtleneck, or something to cover it? Why exactly would a necklace cause so much of a hoopla that you couldn't attend a family shower?


Thank you for asking! I've been wondering this myself... I don't think I could be with a person who would rather me miss family events than take off the collar for a few minutes. I could see for a class or something but significant family events? o.O Plus it sounds like a necklace that I got as a gift from my Mom so I'm kinda wondering how the sister even knew that it was a collar.


I'm with Aynne and Aqua. What's the deal? Something isn't being said here because it sounds rather benign in her description of the necklace.

As for me, I take things on and off as needed because DB says that a symbol should never get in the way of life as we need or want to live it.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/26/2010 2:20:30 PM   
Aynne88


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Exactly!!! I still wish that sweetsub would come back and explain what she meant because I just don't get it. Nice terminology by DB, well said!

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/27/2010 6:55:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thankies, Aynne!  I wish she would come back, too.  Something really sounds "off" just with the limited information that was given.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/28/2010 9:04:34 AM   
Hillwilliam


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Status: offline 		The TRUE symbol of ownership is not what is around the neck.  It is what is between the ears.

An ex sub of mine worked in a law office.  Such places tend to frown on "fetish wear" LOL.  Her "collar" was a sterling toe ring with My initials in it.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/28/2010 9:59:12 AM   
Tantriqu


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Status: offline 		Safety first.
Just like my having bandage scissors and a swiss army knife within my hand's reach at all times for bondage.
A sub is expected to remove his collar and rings for safety, and to miss them terribly until they're safely back on. Chastity devices, on the other hand . . . they do have those numbered plastic rings, but they're fragile and/or rough-surfaced.

Ever since reading about the US astronaut [Aldrin?] who lost a finger from a fall in his orange grove because of his wedding ring, I like the tungsten rings, and tungsten screws for collars, which break with moderate force. Try a tungsten ring: the heft of them is very male: warmer, heavier, and more delicate than you might think, like balls in chastity.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/28/2010 12:22:02 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		This conversation just brought to mind about my brother-in-law's incident.

He's a long haul truck driver and was washing his truck one day when his wedding band got caught caught on the truck. It bent all around his finger and the fire company had to be called. It was so mangled around his finger that they weren't sure they were even able to cut it off and he would have had to have his finger removed. Luckily after about an hour and a half of toying around they were finally able to cut off the ring.

To this day he does not wear his ring when working on his truck and ya know my sister doesn't seem to be the slightest bit bothered. She'd rather he keep his fingers.

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RE: When the symbols *have* to come off - 8/28/2010 1:29:34 PM   
BeGoodForMe


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Status: offline 		Avoiding unplanned injury to a girl and promoting her personal growth are priorities for me, so I allow removal of a collar any time it is impractical to wear it. I have very vanilla taste in outdoor collars so otherwise they are worn always. Unless you have a really fighty sub they will miss their collar it when it isn't there and want to put it back on as soon as possible.

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