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Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 12:14:50 PM   
spookylilmitz


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I am not sure if I fit the bill... if I am a submissive or not.  
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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 1:37:06 PM   
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so your question would be?????????

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 1:39:45 PM   
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what makes you think you are, and what makes you think you are not?

hello.

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 1:51:00 PM   
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Eh. It takes more than a single word to describe most people.

Use more words if 'submissive' won't do.


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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 1:55:04 PM   
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I would suggest you read books. Non-fiction educational books AND fantasy books. Figure out for yourself, independent of the forums and others' opinions, what is hot/exciting/interesting and what is not. When you read the books, don't just imagine yourself in the sub's place. Try both characters on and see which role you find most interesting and exciting. Try to figure out why that character or role is interesting, what aspects of it you find interesting. See what sounds fun to you, and then explore that.

No one can tell you what you are. You may have "submissive tendencies" but that does not make you submissive. And who gets to decide what submissive tendencies are anyways?? We're all very different in a lot of ways, we don't all submit the same way nor do we all act the same way. Many submissive types don't have ANY "submissive tendencies" at all, and yet they are still submissive.

I would not let a friend tell or convince me of what I was, nor why a relationship failed. I would look inside myself to find out, instead. That way, what I find out is much more likely to be true! :)

Books I've either read or seen recommended-

non-fiction books:
Different Loving
The New Bottoming Book
The New Topping Book
Screw the Roses, Send Me the Thorns
SM 101: A Realistic Introduction
The Loving Dominant

fiction books:
The Kushiel trilogy by Jacqueline Carey
The Marketplace Series by Laura Antoniou
The Black Jewels Trilogy by Anne Bishop
Exit to Eden by Anne Rice
Two Moons: Worthy of a Master by Chelsea Shepard
Seven Japanese Tales by Jun?ichir? Tanizaki
Carrie's Story by Molly Weatherfield
The Claiming of Sleeping Beauty by Anne Rice

Good luck!

-edit: typos!


< Message edited by KariCloud -- 8/23/2010 1:57:40 PM >

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 3:07:03 PM   
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I like to please.  My last partner was not into the life style.  Neither was I.  But I am a quiet reserved person.  Sex without love and affection is meaningless.  I need my partner to need things from me or it drives me crazy.  I would beg my last partner to let me do little things... like wake him up.. or make him coffee... I was increasingly discontent with the fact that he wanted nothing of me.

I have never tried really... I like the idea of being owned and protected and a second....

I have recently been hurt and often wonder if I am just trying to fill a hole.

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 3:10:53 PM   
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You wanna be a geisha!

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 3:54:27 PM   
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In healthy vanilla relationships, it's common for each person to want to do little things to please the other. That he apparently wanted nothing of you makes me wonder if there wasn't something more going on. Maybe as simple as he wasn't really all that in to you, or didn't care about the relationship, or was uncaring of people in general. It sounds strange to me that someone in a romantic relationship wanted nothing of their partner, vanilla or kinky.

Did you ask him why he didn't want you to do the things you offered to do for him? Did you tell him that your offering to do said things was because you wanted to do "something" for him? Did you ask what you could do for him that would please him?

Also, doing things to please someone else means that what you do must be on their terms. Otherwise, it is more about you than the person you are trying to please. So, in the future, when you want to please someone, they 1- have to be willing, 2- they must enjoy what you do, and 3- you'll need to let THEM decide what they want you do and when and how. If you try to force someone to let you please them, it won't please them! They have to enjoy what you do for that to work.

What all that means is you need to talk to your partner openly, honestly, frankly about what you want to do and why. And then, once you explained what you want, you have to be able to listen to them and what THEY want.

Let's take a hypothetical example: you decide you want to do something to please me. Well now, this gets a bit tricky because typically what pleases me is to make others happy. So, let's say that you adore going to amusement parks. What would please me is if you let me take you to an amusement park. It might sound backwards, because what I want you to do to please me is something you'd do to please yourself. But in this hypothetical scenario, you wouldn't be pleasing me by insisting that I let you make my morning tea. In fact, I'd be pretty upset if you insisted on making my morning tea because I greatly enjoy making it myself. The focus has to be on what the other person wants, not what you want, otherwise it isn't going to have the effect that you're looking for.

So, you know that you need your partner to need things from you. What else do you want? Be specific as you can, and be sure to include things that aren't related to kink/sex/relationships as well as things that are. Do you like to live in the city? Do you enjoy horsebackriding? Do you live to paint? Do you require new books on a daily basis? What do you love to do? What do you have no tolerance for? Then, once you know what you want and what you don't want, you'll have an easier time understanding what labels help define you with some accuracy.

Until you know what you want, you'll not be able to figure out what labels apply to you. And, knowing what you want makes it easier to find people with compatible interests too, so it's a worthwhile application of your time and energy. :)

Kari

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 4:27:12 PM   
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... what Kari said...

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 5:46:10 PM   
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The best way to find out is research and to just try it in real life. 

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 7:28:21 PM   
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Kari, what you say makes a lot of sense.  Perhaps i have been going about it wrong all along.

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 8:39:12 PM   
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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/23/2010 8:52:07 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: spookylilmitz

I am not sure if I fit the bill... if I am a submissive or not.  



Try the sorting hat.

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/24/2010 3:43:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: KariCloud

In healthy vanilla relationships, it's common for each person to want to do little things to please the other. That he apparently wanted nothing of you makes me wonder if there wasn't something more going on. Maybe as simple as he wasn't really all that in to you, or didn't care about the relationship, or was uncaring of people in general. It sounds strange to me that someone in a romantic relationship wanted nothing of their partner, vanilla or kinky.

Did you ask him why he didn't want you to do the things you offered to do for him? Did you tell him that your offering to do said things was because you wanted to do "something" for him? Did you ask what you could do for him that would please him?

Also, doing things to please someone else means that what you do must be on their terms. Otherwise, it is more about you than the person you are trying to please. So, in the future, when you want to please someone, they 1- have to be willing, 2- they must enjoy what you do, and 3- you'll need to let THEM decide what they want you do and when and how. If you try to force someone to let you please them, it won't please them! They have to enjoy what you do for that to work.

What all that means is you need to talk to your partner openly, honestly, frankly about what you want to do and why. And then, once you explained what you want, you have to be able to listen to them and what THEY want.

Let's take a hypothetical example: you decide you want to do something to please me. Well now, this gets a bit tricky because typically what pleases me is to make others happy. So, let's say that you adore going to amusement parks. What would please me is if you let me take you to an amusement park. It might sound backwards, because what I want you to do to please me is something you'd do to please yourself. But in this hypothetical scenario, you wouldn't be pleasing me by insisting that I let you make my morning tea. In fact, I'd be pretty upset if you insisted on making my morning tea because I greatly enjoy making it myself. The focus has to be on what the other person wants, not what you want, otherwise it isn't going to have the effect that you're looking for.

So, you know that you need your partner to need things from you. What else do you want? Be specific as you can, and be sure to include things that aren't related to kink/sex/relationships as well as things that are. Do you like to live in the city? Do you enjoy horsebackriding? Do you live to paint? Do you require new books on a daily basis? What do you love to do? What do you have no tolerance for? Then, once you know what you want and what you don't want, you'll have an easier time understanding what labels help define you with some accuracy.

Until you know what you want, you'll not be able to figure out what labels apply to you. And, knowing what you want makes it easier to find people with compatible interests too, so it's a worthwhile application of your time and energy. :)

Kari



i always love to read youre posts - just sayin'

the bit about the boyfriend not letting you (OP) do little things and what Kari said to that rang a teeny bell for me too.  i was in a relationship with a very Dom vanilla who would always say 'you didnt have to do that' or somesuch.  it took the wind out of my sails totally because i loved to do it and it kinda hurt when he said that, like he was rejecting me somehow.  this was long before i identified with myself *here*.  the thing is that if theyre vanilla they dont understand us, frankly.  a Dom would understand that you want to do those things because its in youre nature to do them, you want to give and please.  its how youre wired.  so cool you know that.

going from knowing that and handing over the control (to whatever degree) is quite a big next step and it took me a while to get a handle on that.  i dont think there are many subs out there who could honestly say that they got submission right the first time, its a growing journey and you just keep growing, changing and morphing as you go.

so i think what im saying is that since youve found youreself here and you have these feelings and they were strong enough for you to write on here and ask youre tentative question that prolly yes, you are.

but now you need to work out what that means to you, what you want and the type of guy you want it with.  right now its all about you building a strong framework.

oh and just a word of warning - newbies go through a period of initiation - lol.  youre going to be approached by all sorts of types.  stick with the ones who want to learn about you, talk to you about who you are and dont try to rush you along.

above all, enjoy the journey - its an amazing trip xx

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/24/2010 5:21:09 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

Come over my house baby, I'll give you an official inspection and report!


Now why couldn't you have told ME this in the 6 months I was unowned?

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/24/2010 8:23:48 PM   
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There are as many different types of submissives as there are people. I know people with numerous so called "submissives traits" that would probably turn white and faint at the mere mention of BDSM. I happen to be both neighbors and friends with a fair number of women with a strong evangelical Christain bent who consider themselves "submissive" to their husbands in a biblical sense, and would be appalled if they knew what "kink" really was. (Think 1950's household with prayer meetings instead of freaky sex).

Even withihn the world of kink, there are some that consider themselves "service" subs, while others are "bedroom" subs, and some just kink occassionally. Then the are the mostly vanilla type A's who are only submissive to one partner.

Don't limit yourself to someone elses definition of what you are or are not, or should be. You may find you need a head of household type relationship without the spankings.....or something else entirely. In short, seek a partner who meets your needs, instead of trying to be what someone else says you should be.

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/25/2010 2:35:36 AM   
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ORIGINAL: KariCloud

In healthy vanilla relationships, it's common for each person to want to do little things to please the other. That he apparently wanted nothing of you makes me wonder if there wasn't something more going on. Maybe as simple as he wasn't really all that in to you, or didn't care about the relationship, or was uncaring of people in general.

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Hooray for Kari the copepod! I've snipped the quote to save space- but that whole post was AWESOME!!!  




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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/26/2010 2:48:52 PM   
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Thank you all for your input. 

How would one go about exploring this lifestyle.  I am very timid generally and it's hard for me to really just trust someone.  How can I explore while keeping myself safe from physical (not too worried about that) or emotional harm?

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/26/2010 3:57:13 PM   
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Books, books, and more books.

In the upper right corner of each thread screen is the link 'Search' which you can use to look up something by topic, or by user. Searching for 'Books' should give a lot of threads, some of which will be more relevant than others.

That would be a good place to start.

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RE: Identity Crisis - 8/26/2010 4:48:22 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: spookylilmitz

Thank you all for your input. 

How would one go about exploring this lifestyle.  I am very timid generally and it's hard for me to really just trust someone.  How can I explore while keeping myself safe from physical (not too worried about that) or emotional harm?




The same way you "explore" vanilla relationships- get to know smeone, decide if you'd like to date them, then decide of maybe you want to have an ongoing relationship with them, which may or may nor lead to kinky sex.

You will surely run across nefarious dominant type creatures who offer to "mentor" "train" "teach" "guide" etc- all euphinisms for they get their jollies at your expense. Run very far and very fast from them. If someone doesn't want to take the time to know you as a person first, how can they ever hope to know how to guide you?

Above all, remember there is no "right" way to wiitwd- there are is only what's right for you and your partner. And before letting anyone snooker you into agreeing to be "their" sub, decide if you want them as a Dom.

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