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joanneeve -> RE: Electable... (8/28/2010 12:05:51 PM)

Greetings, Master Bull,

Can you protect your family from 1. The negative press?
                                                 2. The reactions of others (especially in the schools of your grandchildren and the work places of your children)?

I hope you have found your Wal (A term I borrows from the books of Raymond Feist meaning inner peace and balance). Generally you have been consistent in your interactions here, I wish you good luck if you decide to run.

joanne
                                               




truckinslave -> RE: Electable... (8/28/2010 12:12:10 PM)

If there is anyone anywhere who knows your lifestyle and has an axe to grind you will be outted.
If there is anyone who knows your lifestyle and needs the money they could get by outing you, you will be outed.
If you are outed you will probably lose more than just the election.




hlen5 -> RE: Electable... (8/28/2010 12:12:45 PM)

One word. Integrity.

Stay true to your principles no matter what and do the best job you can for your constituency. Doing this will get you the farthest to getting (and staying) elected.




leadership527 -> RE: Electable... (8/29/2010 12:34:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: xBullx
What the hell do you see as.......................”electable”?

Someone who is reasonably centrist relative to the constituency they represent.
Someone who actually has ideas, not polls.
Someone who will speak those ideas, clearly and eloquently.
Someone who I believe will tell the truth
Someone who is a leader.

I'm actually less interested in whether an official represents my views personally as whether I think they are more likely to build bridges or create dissension. I'll take someone who'll lead even in directions I don't like to some degree over yet another poll-wielding mouth piece.

In the case of a gorean, it'd seem to me that the misogyny angle is going to be the hardest to get past. I could give a rat's ass what my elected officials do in their bedrooms (or the oval office). But I very much DO care about women's rights.




hlen5 -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 1:44:10 AM)

I have a question for you, Bull. How would your Gorean philosophy inform your voting? Would you actively seek to rescind changes that have been made legally in the last 30 years or so?




Aynne88 -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 4:53:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Elisabella

-FR-

Even though you deleted your profile from CM it's still alive in the depths of the internet

http://web.archive.org/web/20071216112655/http://www.collarme.com/xBullx

I don't know how nasty district level Iowan politics are (lol) just be aware that anyone who did want to use that against you would easily be able to do so. This part alone would probably kill an election:

"I do believe that God or nature never intended men and women to be equals and if that is what you need, go away, you are the one that lives a fantasy and that is why you can't find the satisfaction in the women that you long to be."


Or this one:

'It is designed to be a man's world, with that comes great pleasure, but also great responsibility.'

Or....how about when the press actually gets ahold of Ishtarr and finds out you brought a barely legal still teenaged *I believe* from Belgium to live at your house with your wife as your slave. If they even begin to dig into her colorful past, and they will, it's over before it begins.

Remember, it was you guys that sank Clinton for a blowjob. A naked teenage slave performing in front of your friends on a chain? Can't have it both ways Bull. Us feminists can be a prickish bunch.   




brainiacsub -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 5:59:34 AM)

LOL...a woman after my own heart

You see, Bull, the 'community' doesn't do a good enough job calling bullshit among their own. That's what the press is for.

Your very public exploits with Ishtarr demonstate, among other things, that you lack good judgement. I'd say that is a requirement for electability. On Gor, I'm sure an old man owning an abused young 'girl' for his pleasure wouldn't turn heads, but here on Earth I think few would find it noble or honorable. Good luck with that one.

Thanks for this wonderful thread. I now have a new hobby. I am closely following Iowa politics.




Aynne88 -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 7:50:54 AM)



Thanks brainiac [:)]. This has piqued my interest as well. I am actually shocked that Bull thinks he can run with that juicy morsel fairly easy to uncover with 5 minutes and internet access....

I think most politicians are morally reprensible, but I don't know many that would ever begin to think that the whole Bull/Ishy drama publicly played out all over the internet would coud be hidden or ignored.




xBullx -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 8:06:43 AM)


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ORIGINAL: hlen5

I have a question for you, Bull. How would your Gorean philosophy inform your voting? Would you actively seek to rescind changes that have been made legally in the last 30 years or so?


Good question hlen5; but allow me to clarify some things first.

First, in some recent conversations I had been party too this electability debate arose and I thought this a good forum to address the subject, and most obviously I knew I would make a good example point. I am aware I may not be a fan favorite around these parts.

Next, I was approached about running for a State office, not a Federal, only a State office, so legislative issues are most likely uncommon. I've thought about running, but for the of the same reasons that others in this thread have mentioned I personally don't believe at this time I'd run. I won't say I never will, but prejudice, lack of understanding, shortcomings of my own and the fact that I don't have the time to actually give it my best effort right now.

But hypothetically speaking and as far as my Gorean views go, certainly my values would influence my policy choices and voting; it does now, but if I were a Representative I would have more than just my views to put into the decision making process. I must say though that preserving my integrity and doing what I hope would be the right thing for those that imparted their faith in me would rein foremost in my efforts.

I've not always made the right choices in my life, not always done or said the right things, but like most my life is a work in progress. I will also add I have no regrets. Each trial and triumph I have faced has either reinforced my direction or altered my course, I sincerely hope to be a better man each passing day. But yes my individual beliefs that often mirror the Gorean tenants of personal responsibility, accountability; duty to your community, understanding of the human condition; working in harmony with nature and working for environmental preservation; and a great many more things.

As far as repealing Iowa laws goes. At one time I started looking through the laws, regulations and codes of my state, it's possible I might need thirty years to just go through them all. And yes I am sure some things need updating, other things added or revoked completely; without a doubt we like most other states need to do a lot better with our budget. And with that I have discussed a few things with others in the know, but for now I'm financially active and vigilant and I'm hoping those I have voted for are giving us the best they have.

I hope that helps a little.




xBullx -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 9:53:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88



Thanks brainiac [:)]. This has piqued my interest as well. I am actually shocked that Bull thinks he can run with that juicy morsel fairly easy to uncover with 5 minutes and internet access....

I think most politicians are morally reprensible, but I don't know many that would ever begin to think that the whole Bull/Ishy drama publicly played out all over the internet would coud be hidden or ignored.


This is actually directed at both you Aynne88 and the brainiacsub. I want you both to know you didn't offend me with anything you said, this thread was about me and I appreciate your honesty.

However, I'm sure sorry to disappoint you gals... But if I was going to test my real political worth I'm guessing it would be best to do it here at home. But let's examine what you girls have revealed.

First, the "ishy" factor isn't some big secret where I'm from, but just like your comments over mine and Ishtar's "drama" some of the rumors are inaccurate and used for personal agendas.

Take Ishta'rs age for example; unless she had a fake passport and lied about her age she is in her mid twenties,and OI trust her word much ahead of yours. It is also common knowledge on this site that I express an intollerance for the word and concept of the idea of legal slavery in our society. I believe that we are to immature and corruptable as humans to be allowed absolute control over one another. I do however belive in the art of personal mastery and that mastery over another can be possible. So as far as abused goes, well that's almost funny. I can't speak for her, but somehow I doubt Ishtar would agree with you on that, she may not have always been happy, but that doesn't equal abuse. She worked hard, and did very good in school, because of school she actually spent very little time around me, a chief concern in the end. So watch your spin and baseless allegations

Now while it seems you two see what transpired between Ishtar and I as a negative left open for you to exploit and use to advance some personal vendetta, I found it one of the most studious times of my life. I discovered things about myself, the women in my life and much about the human equation during this time. And I assure you that Ishtar is much to bright for any one of us to exploit if she was not open to the idea all on her own.

Now as I have stated there's not a very big chance I'd actually run for an office, I'm pretty busy and all with other things.

Again I'm sorry to disappoint you, but thanks for your input. I must say it truly reveals a great deal more about your individual character or motives than you might have expected. Concurrently Iowa thanks you for your interest in our state.

Enjoy your Labor Day weekend.




Aynne88 -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 5:21:05 PM)

Bull I never said the word abused, believe me if my man wanted to run for politics and half the stuff he did "to me" came out he would be labeled as an abuser in a hot minute and I would be the horror of my family and community. I don't think Ishy was abused, so please don't put words in my mouth.

As far as what I think and posted "speaking a lot about my character" as you stated, how so? Being a feminist and a liberal I don't see how my opinion on your very public views on the female gender makes my character come into question. I also don't purport to hold any interest in Iowan politics, although I am sure they are relevant. Your post was a little passive aggressive and you are cleary defensive. Better thicken up that hide if you want to run for public office.

I am a cynic and a realist, no btterflies and rainbows here. You live an alternative lifestyle and had a young woman from another country come and live in a poly situation with you and your wife and there are pictures and posts and much evidence of the fact easily discovered, that's about it. I don't think that it will behoove you in any way if you do decide to run, that is my statement and I stand by it. If I were a resident of Iowa and I discovered any of it, I would absolutely publicy do what I could to make certain that someone with your beliefs and values would never be in a position of power considering you don't think that I, being born with a vagina, should share that power with you.

I might buy you a beer though, and lament the fact that you are incorrect in your percepetions of the fairer sex. No biggie, and no hidden agenda. Promise.





juliaoceania -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 9:37:52 PM)

I am going to be honest, if there was an election and one of the candidates was shown at Ren Faires, maybe using ren speak on some old video.. or perhaps shown dressed as a Klingon, speaking in Klingon ... yeah, that might make me choose the other guy in a primary election. On the other side of things, if I found out someone liked kinky sex, it wouldn't matter to me.

Yes, I consider the values that people live by important to my vote. I do not vote for religious nuts, for example, because the credo they live by means something to me. If I found out someone was a Gorean, and the media picked up on that story, I would think it too far out that someone would build a lifestyle around fictional books.

Now your question is what do I see as "electable", well, a person can have a few dark marks and still be electable, but most people feel comfortable voting for the person that is most like them... and in my state that would not be a Gorean mindset. At least if you were "honest" about your views on the place of women in the world..




juliaoceania -> RE: Electable... (9/2/2010 11:21:45 PM)

I have an important hypothetical question for you, Bull, if you were to run for office, would you disclose those things that would influence your decisions? Would you let your constituents know that you think women are substandard to men? Would you let prospective voters vote for you without telling them that you think that in the natural order women want to be used for the pleasure of men? These sorts of viewpoints may influence your decisions, do you think it is honorable to hide them knowing people wouldn't vote for you if they knew?

Your stated motivation to run for public office is the lack of integrity, honesty, and forthrightness amongst politicians, I find it highly ironic that the things that motivate you to desire to enter politics are the things you would have to sacrifice to gain office. If you would justify it some way in your mind as being "no one's business but yours", well, I am sure the politicians that you want to replace tell themselves such things all the time.




hlen5 -> RE: Electable... (9/3/2010 12:29:06 AM)

Bull,

I read your reply to my post and don't think you answered my precise question. The question I must have been too ambigous about was this: Would your Gorean views lead you to vote in a non-egalitarian way? Would you attempt to make a woman's right to choose abortion illegal again? Would you deliberately try to turn back the clock and vote against rights that women have fought so hard for?
I heard what you said about being voted in to statewide office vs being in Congress. Laws are made at the state level, too.




hlen5 -> RE: Electable... (9/3/2010 12:19:29 PM)

A shameless bump, 'cause I'd really like to see the answer.




xBullx -> RE: Electable... (9/3/2010 12:54:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Aynne88



I might buy you a beer though, and lament the fact that you are incorrect in your percepetions of the fairer sex. No biggie, and no hidden agenda. Promise.




Aynne, I think you have me confused with a misogynist, in my heart, I am not. What I believe about men and women has nothing too do with gender superiority, on either account. Personally I don't believe the Gorean Philosophy purports as much. It is my understanding and belief the men and women are simply different, and I also believe this is an intentional natural design. Generally speaking each sex has superior traits that creates a natural dependance upon one another. This, in my opinion is nature's way of promoting human survival. Now we could debate what traits are generally more predominant, but it seems obvious enough to me that this Gorean belief is valid.

Now I do not want to make this another Gorean bash or discussion thread. However my Gorean views have been brought up and since they have been mis-characterized I suppose some clarification is in order.

Have you ever noticed how the Goreans” tend to carry on as to just what it is to be “Gorean” So please don't assume because you heard some self proclaimed “Gorean” say something that this is the general consensus. Neither I nor anyone else I know has been appointed the official Gorean Spokesperson. That being said I will share with you where I do believe the Gorean Philosophy stands on human superiority; it's an individual accomplishment. We should all be free to be who and what we are, no matter what that “what” is.

In Norman's books the Priest Kings came to Earth, here they selected what they believed were the best suited examples of humanity to meet their purposes in order to establish, propagate and cultivate a specific cultural existence that might flourish and serve their needs. The Priest Kings, being a rather docile species needed to create a warrior culture to aid them in their own survival. It seems obvious enough to me if you removed the Priest Kings from the scenario, alternate cultural paths could have come to be. We can only speculate about this but it seems possible to me.

More to your point I ask you to note that in these books women often held positions of power, sometimes it didn't turn out well for them, but the same can be said for many male characters in the stories. It must be said though that the victors in the books, those that would be deemed the “superior” example were comprised of a certain moral fiber and code thereby elevating their worthiness to reign.

One thing you might want to consider, at least at this point in time is that I really don't believe you could call anything “Gorean” a lifestyle. It's a philosophical pursuit within its early stages, it may or may not survive, that will depend on its strength, credibility and substance; and that in itself is rather Gorean.

Now my Gorean views in my opinion would actually make me a rather able Representative, I place great importance upon my integrity, my honor and community. The Gorean philosophy does have a few tenants that our vanilla friends would at first glance gasp at, but given a chance to explain and demonstrate my resolve I feel I'm not the wretched beast you seem to have envisioned. However I will always remain that fable character of resolute standing. ;)

You, Aynne are certainly entitled to your worldly views, as long as you are able to support and defend them it seems likely they will remain valid, the same holds true for me. If in the future you will inquire as to my views before assigning them to me I will not only be grateful but, will work to return the favor. Concurrently the abuse comment wasn't directed at you but rather brainiacsub, sorry to inspire that confusion.

Oh and as far as the comments about “your” character it applies only in that you come off brash and seem overly quick to judge. But I suppose there is much more to you, so I'll wait for that beer to discuss it further.




juliaoceania -> RE: Electable... (9/3/2010 1:21:06 PM)

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The Gorean philosophy does have a few tenants that our vanilla friends would at first glance gasp at, but given a chance to explain and demonstrate my resolve I feel I'm not the wretched beast you seem to have envisioned.


Does this mean that you would disclose your views about women to voters? You never answered my question. I think it is a pretty valid one, because in my estimation if you intended on being different from other politicians, views so outside the mainstream of American society would need to be disclosed. I am sure I am not the only voter that would feel this way. In my opinion, if a politician held back such views, that would be lying by omission




xBullx -> RE: Electable... (9/3/2010 1:56:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: hlen5

A shameless bump, 'cause I'd really like to see the answer.


Ok, I'll answer you before I do Julia. Besides she has a crush on me so she'll perhaps be quicker to forgive my delay. :)

I am a fierce advocate of freedom and personal choice. I don't even like that the government has the need or reason to interfere with individual rights. My am though, very much against abortion. But I don't believe this is a legal issue, it's a moral issue and should be decided in ones own heart and home. Morality should come from your own conscience, family, religious ideology or personal codes, not the halls of government. I am debating in my own mind how much choice in the abortion issue we should render to the man involved. This to me seems a neglected and important part of the issue.

Socially I'm rather liberal, enough to where it rather annoys my Catholic friends and family. I don't believe the government has any business legislating who can marry who. Again that is personal, family or church business. The government shouldn't stand in anyone's way of the pursuit of happiness. But I do ask everyone to remember that their pursuit should not compromise the security or happiness of others. Concurrently without compromise there will be conflict, are any of us willing to surrender all.

So hlen5, my position almost always sides with personal choice, liberty and freedom.

I ope this helps.

Ok, I got to get back on the road, I'll post again when I get a chance.




xBullx -> RE: Electable... (9/3/2010 2:27:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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The Gorean philosophy does have a few tenants that our vanilla friends would at first glance gasp at, but given a chance to explain and demonstrate my resolve I feel I'm not the wretched beast you seem to have envisioned.


Does this mean that you would disclose your views about women to voters? You never answered my question. I think it is a pretty valid one, because in my estimation if you intended on being different from other politicians, views so outside the mainstream of American society would need to be disclosed. I am sure I am not the only voter that would feel this way. In my opinion, if a politician held back such views, that would be lying by omission


I'm a bit short on time, but I think I disclosed my view on women. A woman should be free to be what she can be, should be, is capable of being or is naturally compelled to be. Whether that's a CEO or a mastered woman.

I am also a strong supporter of equal pay for equal work.

I did plan a better answer for you but I'm rushed and didn't want to offend you.....too much.




juliaoceania -> RE: Electable... (9/3/2010 7:44:32 PM)

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I'll answer you before I do Julia. Besides she has a crush on me so she'll perhaps be quicker to forgive my delay.



Why do conservative icky men insist on making me throw up a little in my mouth with statements like this?

I must conclude they secretly have the hots for me and are projecting




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