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brainiacsub -> RE: Electable... (9/4/2010 10:21:11 AM)
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Bull,
Since you have seen fit to question my character and motives, then let me take a moment to defend myself and clear up some misunderstandings here.
First, I never accused you of abusing Ishtarr. I said "you owned an abused young "girl." " The distinction is an important one. Equally as important, I didn't make this up or gather it from the rumor mill. I got it directly from one of her posts. She stated recently that (paraphrasing here) 'she hated her father and that he was abusive toward her.' In that same post she also stated that she ran away from home at 14, dropped out of school, been homeless, lived under bridges, had been raped and used by men, prostituted herself in the finest of hotels, all by the time she was 18.' The thread were she said this has been removed by the mods, but I'm sure this gem can be found in the webarchives. It was one of Glasgow's threads where Ishtarr was trying to give advice to yet another 18 year old twit who was using a bdsm relationship to escape her dysfunctional life. You have also confirmed all of this in your own posts -except that you never used the word 'abuse' when referring to her relationship with her father - but you did add that she abused drugs during her adolescence.
Secondly, I never claimed that Ishtarr was a teenager. I only used the term "barely legal." She is 25 now, but she was early 20s when she met you and 23ish when she came to live with you. It's hard to know the exact age by the different timelines presented, but it is an entirely irrelevent detail for the purpose of justifying the relationship to your potential constituents.
Thirdly, everything that I know of your relationship with Ishtarr came 100% from things you and she have said here and on Fet. I don't rely on rumors or gossip and frankly, I haven't heard any. Anything that I know, the press will also know. It's all here in black and white. That's how the real world works.
Don't misunderstand what I'm saying here. My views are not an indictment of Gorean philosophy. As a matter of fact, I think Norman got more right than wrong in his view of 'mastered women.' But you have described Ishtarr as a "natural slut" who "exists for the pleasure and use by men," a position justified by, IMHO, an ignorant but literal interpretation of the novels. I can pull up those posts if you like. You will never find a reputable Psychologist or Psychiatrist here on Earth worth their salt, given her background, that will agree with you. I don't think Norman ever intended for his novels to be an excuse for the strong to exploit the weak, and that is the charge that you are going to have to defend in a VERY PUBLIC indictment of your character and choices.
Before you get your neck up and accuse me of being overly judgemental and harboring nefarious motives, consider the purpose of this thread. I assume you wanted an honest opinion of your potential electability. All those who have come out here and cheered you on and advised you to prepare a well-crafted stump speech have done you a huge disservice. Whether my words reflect my personal views or whether I am just playing devil's advocate is entirely unimportant and irrelevent. If you are serious about running for office now or sometime in the future, during the discovery phase don't surround yourself with yes men. Seek out your worst critics and listen intently to every word they say. You will find that I have been kind by comparison.
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