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Trying to learn - 8/29/2010 2:56:25 PM   
Kicia


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My husband wants me to be more dominant than I am (I've always been much more of a submissive type, I guess you'd say). I like being nice and loving rather than forceful and dominating and tend to laugh at myself while trying to act that way because I feel so different. I've tried things here and there but feel as though they're not adequate (he says as long as I put forth an effort he is happy with knowing I'm trying), and he's given me advice as well on what to do yet prefers if I come up with something totally different so that he's not expecting it. The biggest issue I have is finding ways to get myself more into it and doing things that I am comfortable with as well. Was hoping to get some beginner ideas that I can sort through and find what I may enjoy doing.

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/29/2010 3:01:40 PM   
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One of the best internet resources for this type of situation that I've come across has been written by Akasha, who is a regular poster here.

http://www.akashaweb.com/women/goodgirlpreview.html

Well worth a read-there are lots of ideas there.

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/29/2010 3:23:44 PM   
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Seconded.  I hadn't read that before - very sound stuff.

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/29/2010 4:14:45 PM   
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I too, consider myself a loving dominant.  While my slave enjoys pain, it took me quite a while to get comfortable with giving it.  Lots of communication and a lot of time spent getting in the mood to do so were key factors for me. 

As far as things to try that you may be comfortable with right away... Have him run you a bath.  Have him pour you some wine (or make you a drink, bring you coffee or tea, whatever works for you.)  If comfortable with him seeing you in the bath have him wait in there so he's on hand if you need anything, washcloth, new bar of soap, etc.  You can also have him bathe you if you are comfortable with that.  If you prefer showers, you can have him wash your back.  Have him dry you when you are finished.  Have him rub you down with lotion.  Have him clean the tub when it's all over.  Have him learn to make things like bubble bath or bath oils.  Sugar and salt body scrubs are easy to make at home for a fraction of the cost.  Have him take some massage classes if he doesn't do them well or give you massages if he does.  Have him hand-wash your delicates.  Have him opening car doors and doors in general for you.  There are a million and one things that are very simple things to put him in service to you and doing what you want.

Basically, to get to where my slave and I are now, I had to get comfortable with being more selfish.  It can be a long process because many of us have been programmed since birth not to be selfish.  But when you get over it and realize how fun and gratifying it can be, it's a great new world.

Edited for punctuation errors and probably still didn't catch them all.  LOL.

< Message edited by Ladynslave -- 8/29/2010 4:20:26 PM >


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RE: Trying to learn - 8/29/2010 5:44:47 PM   
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Thank you, all, for the replies so far! We both read Akasha's introduction page, and we both learned things from it - he learned from the "Notes for men" part on how to make it less "pressuring" for me, and I realized simple things can be done and can still be considered and viewed as dominant.

Ladynslave - I've done the shower thing before as part of my attempts, and do enjoy that a lot - its very relaxing and pleasant. All of your ideas sound really good for me to do to start with and I'm looking forward to it more already. I especially like the bath/wine/massage parts :). I guess I've always thought too far in depth with it rather than starting out slowly like I need to be, not noticing that things as easily as running a bath, cooking food, pampering me, etc fell into being dominant of him. I also would start out with something easier like the shower, and think that I needed to jump into something more that I wasn't fully ready/100% comfortable with yet.

I have the "need to get used to being more selfish" problem, for sure, and will have to get past that as well.

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/29/2010 6:24:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kicia

I have the "need to get used to being more selfish" problem, for sure, and will have to get past that as well.



Selfish in a way that's fun, and fun for you - that's the key thing! 

Good luck :-)

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/29/2010 8:07:17 PM   
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I do not think you are trying to learn. I think you ARE learning.

Habitual rituals take time. Conditioning is rewarding.

Oh yes. Grab him by the fantasticals and squeeze. Then whisper into his ear in a low primal tone "You're mine now, bitch"

Would You like it? You do not have to go to that vitriolic level. of course you could be a very sensual dominant. Torture by licking is not fair at all.

Oh by the way.... a mind is worse than any prison. Words damage more than whips. You do not need toys and tools to join a secret domme club. You just are... even when there is only you and your loved one.

Cuddling is acceptable.


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RE: Trying to learn - 8/29/2010 10:25:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kicia

Thank you, all, for the replies so far! We both read Akasha's introduction page, and we both learned things from it - he learned from the "Notes for men" part on how to make it less "pressuring" for me, and I realized simple things can be done and can still be considered and viewed as dominant.

Ladynslave - I've done the shower thing before as part of my attempts, and do enjoy that a lot - its very relaxing and pleasant. All of your ideas sound really good for me to do to start with and I'm looking forward to it more already. I especially like the bath/wine/massage parts :). I guess I've always thought too far in depth with it rather than starting out slowly like I need to be, not noticing that things as easily as running a bath, cooking food, pampering me, etc fell into being dominant of him. I also would start out with something easier like the shower, and think that I needed to jump into something more that I wasn't fully ready/100% comfortable with yet.

I have the "need to get used to being more selfish" problem, for sure, and will have to get past that as well.



Remember to relax and have fun. If your man is really giving you space and letting you go at your own pace, this should make it easier.  Also make sure he knows that as part of the rules you may be switching on and off your "femdom mode" to experiment, and he is not to get shot out of a cannon if you are messing around and playing with tone, attitude, etc. and being spontaneous to see how it feels.  Sometimes sub/bottom men hear a woman jokingly get into femdom mode with their tone of voice and then you can't shut them off - they want more, more and more.

So practice with the fun, pressure-free ways to express little forms of dominance on your own terms and see what about *his* reaction is exciting, entertaining or arousing to you.  Think back to the times in your life when it was fun to have a guy wrapped around your finger or trying to get your attention, win your favor or do anything to make you pay attention to him.  Pay attention to how he responds and use positive reinforcement to show him which responses motivate you most. A few random ideas:

* Tell him, "Kiss me HERE" and point to the body part. Don't let him finish until you are satisfied with the performance.  Mess around with being commanding and stern - pretend like you are a kid just playing roleplay games and have fun with it.

* Tell him casually "I decided you don't get to orgasm any more until I say so."  Make it as playful as YOU want, or serious.  Make him earn the orgasms or just turn it into a fun game. 

* Next time you have to ask him to do something for you (run an errand, grab something from another room, get the car washed), put on a fun, flirty seductive smirk and say "Do it now, bitch."

* Make him kneel or hold still, close his eyes, and inspect his body. Fully.  At your leisure.  Take as long as you want. Lightly touch him. Explore. Don't feel like you have to say or do anything.  Don't think about whether he is bored, or "oh no what is he thinking," or anything like that. It doesn't matter.  IT DOESN'T MATTER.  What matters is that you are amused.  Take your time.

And remember..HAVE FUN!!

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/30/2010 1:59:55 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Don't feel like you have to say or do anything.  Don't think about whether he is bored, or "oh no what is he thinking," or anything like that. It doesn't matter.  IT DOESN'T MATTER.  What matters is that you are amused.  Take your time.

This. It took me a while to figure out this one. Don't ever feel like you have to rush during a scene, because that pressure is something you're putting on yourself, by yourself-it's not going to be bothering him!

Also, sometimes you can make *his* head do all the work-if you put him in a comfortable position (just sitting in a chair is good) with a blindfold on, and just touch him every now and again-read a book or your favourite magazine in the meantime if you like! :P-then he'll be going crazy wondering what you're doing, what you look like, when you're going to touch him next, how long for, where...

Get a feather, a soft scarf, a toothpick, a pair of tweezers (if you're feeling evil). Don't forget your hands. Play with hard touches, soft touches, nails, fingertips, your hair, if it's long enough. Fuck it, pull *his* hair if it's long enough! Sit on his lap unexpectedly (make sure the chair's stable enough that if he jumps in surprise it won't topple...) Mix it up, keep him guessing!

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/30/2010 8:48:41 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious


quote:

ORIGINAL: AAkasha

Don't feel like you have to say or do anything.  Don't think about whether he is bored, or "oh no what is he thinking," or anything like that. It doesn't matter.  IT DOESN'T MATTER.  What matters is that you are amused.  Take your time.

This. It took me a while to figure out this one. Don't ever feel like you have to rush during a scene, because that pressure is something you're putting on yourself, by yourself-it's not going to be bothering him!

Also, sometimes you can make *his* head do all the work-if you put him in a comfortable position (just sitting in a chair is good) with a blindfold on, and just touch him every now and again-read a book or your favourite magazine in the meantime if you like! :P-then he'll be going crazy wondering what you're doing, what you look like, when you're going to touch him next, how long for, where...

Get a feather, a soft scarf, a toothpick, a pair of tweezers (if you're feeling evil). Don't forget your hands. Play with hard touches, soft touches, nails, fingertips, your hair, if it's long enough. Fuck it, pull *his* hair if it's long enough! Sit on his lap unexpectedly (make sure the chair's stable enough that if he jumps in surprise it won't topple...) Mix it up, keep him guessing!


Yes, I totally agree with all of this!  I was thinking more about it, and wanted to add a couple of caveats.

* For a new femdom, I strongly encourage starting with the foundation that it 100% does NOT matter if the man is "bored."  He probably is NOT going to be - as VC states, his head will do most of the work. 

* The first thing a femdom should feel "obligated" as far as "attention/stimulation" to a sub when she is learning is this:  Telling him how good it feels for her.  Telling him how much FUN she is having.  Telling him how AROUSED she is.  Showing him how wet she is.  All of these things are important feedback as most sub men are very motivated by pleasing - and they are also good affirmations for her.  Subs need to know the woman is getting off on it and enjoying herself.  Even a soft moan of pleasure, a pleasant authentic giggle, a sigh of self indulgence next to his ear - these are the carrots to keep him going and should be the only thing a woman feels "obligated" to dish out in the earlier stages.

* If a sub (who is encouraging a new femdom) feels painfully unsatisfied with "playtime" because it is missing elements of x,y and z, he needs to reevaluate his position and lay the cards on the table and state, "I need some dose of x, y and z to feel satisfied" and accept this. Rather than just muzzle it and hope she's a mindreader or try pushing her toward it. She can empower herself with the choice to use this as a carrot.  I mean, this is ok in general, but I just feel that it totally squashes a new femdom's confidence and she's back to being a puppet for the bottom; I think an experienced femdom who already has a foundation of confidence, self pleasure and no fear can generally take these "wish lists" and just turn them into tools that empower her.  But a new femdom sees them as looming obligations and "oh my god what if I don't do it right?" (whereas a more comfortable femdom may say "fuck it if he doesn't think I am doing it right, I'm doing it in a way that makes ME feel good and his head is going to explode..." or "oh so he needs this thing? Well then he's going to earn it, oh is he EVER going to earn it..." or "So he thinks that x is what he needs more than anything....wouldn't it be cruel if I turned this into a predicament where he got x but only after he did y..." -- it's a more controlling, self indulgent mindset essentially)

* I think all femdoms, myself included, have been in that horrible, awkward, uncomfortable position of being right in the middle of a bdsm or S&M "scene" where we think, "Oh my god, is he having a horrible time?" or "is he totally bored? Did he just zone out, is he thinking of football?" or "Nothing I am doing even phases this guy, he isn't even into this, I feel so unpowerful and unsexy."  Those thought processes RUIN everything. When I feel them, I stop - it's just not worth it.  To me it signals generally that my mindset is messed up - somehow, somewhere, I got into a mindset of pleasing rather than being pleased.  Somewhere the seed got planted that I was a performer doing a show and the entire objective got turned around on me. When I think about this wrecked mindset, I realize how horribly painful it must be for women who are in that mindset all the time. How can you possibly enjoy anything? No wonder bdsm feels like a chore!

Female domination has to start with a woman feeling empowered and sexy, and without the pressures of being expected to do anything other than enjoy herself on her terms.  Only after that foundation is set can she start integrating a man's "expectations" into her own style, so she feels like these things are tools, not a list she's supposed to complete in order to succeed. She has to realize that the only rule of the game is that she has to come out of it with a smile on her face and rush of adrenalin and/or sexual arousal -- and that the only thing she's 100% obligated to "give back" to a submissive is feedback and transparency about how much she is enjoying it -- and then from there, build on integrating his fantasies at her own comfort level.  At least, this is what I have found works with getting a "new femdom" into the stage of "new and loving it!"

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/30/2010 10:22:29 AM   
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Assuming Mr Kicia is still reading:  in a nutshell: an integral part of her feeling dominant is that you'll do stuff that you don't want to do as well as stuff that you do want to do.  

But no doubt this all takes practice. 

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/30/2010 11:05:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Assuming Mr Kicia is still reading:  in a nutshell: an integral part of her feeling dominant is that you'll do stuff that you don't want to do as well as stuff that you do want to do.  

But no doubt this all takes practice. 


A new femdom should never expect she is going to have to do something she doesn't want to do in order to start to enjoy it.  I am not sure what you mean by this. Later on, if she is digging domination, she can do some things she might not have had a desire to do initially but enjoy it as it is part of a larger foundation of "control."


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RE: Trying to learn - 8/30/2010 11:09:10 AM   
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I was addressing Kicia's partner there, not Kicia herself.

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/30/2010 6:11:26 PM   
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Everything has been immensely helpful so far! And yes, we are both still reading! :)

I've definitely learned a lot already - my mind was in a totally different place on what I needed to be doing/could be doing, and I HAVE gotten into that "am I not doing enough?!?" train of thought often which has ruined it a lot for me. I'd get frustrated when thinking that and it would put me out of it completely.

Thank you all for such great advice and suggestions.

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/31/2010 2:51:04 PM   
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Kicia,

You know, if you can't work something out, and it feels pressured . . . you could just tell him to run you a bath, then go out . . . . If you feel hassled - make it *his* fault!

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/31/2010 3:15:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kicia

Thank you, all, for the replies so far! We both read Akasha's introduction page, and we both learned things from it - he learned from the "Notes for men" part on how to make it less "pressuring" for me, and I realized simple things can be done and can still be considered and viewed as dominant.

Ladynslave - I've done the shower thing before as part of my attempts, and do enjoy that a lot - its very relaxing and pleasant. All of your ideas sound really good for me to do to start with and I'm looking forward to it more already. I especially like the bath/wine/massage parts :). I guess I've always thought too far in depth with it rather than starting out slowly like I need to be, not noticing that things as easily as running a bath, cooking food, pampering me, etc fell into being dominant of him. I also would start out with something easier like the shower, and think that I needed to jump into something more that I wasn't fully ready/100% comfortable with yet.

I have the "need to get used to being more selfish" problem, for sure, and will have to get past that as well.




If it helps, consider yourself a lady of leisure of another century and he's your maid or butler, you wouldn't have a problem ordering hired staff around, would you? Brushing hair is also a good one, very enjoyable, then make him read books about massages so you can relax, I bet you will enjoy the comfort and get a bit more demanding over time. Also if you come home, have him take off your shoes and socks, bring you a foot bath, bath your feet and massage them, you will love it and he will feel dominated.

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RE: Trying to learn - 8/31/2010 4:12:59 PM   
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Another thing that hasn't been mentioned is the *small* stuff-pinch his bum when he walks past you (not for any reason-just because you can. If you feel like doing it hard then go for it!), stop him for a quick (or not so quick) kiss (or bite) whenever *you* fancy one, 'accidentally' drop things and tell him to pick them up so you can watch him bend over...

Not every scene has to last for ages-ten seconds or so can also be hot!

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RE: Trying to learn - 9/1/2010 5:50:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: VaguelyCurious

. . .pinch his bum when he walks past you . . .



I don't think there's any call for giving the OP disgusting advice like that, VC. She's clearly a Lady.

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RE: Trying to learn - 9/1/2010 7:00:13 AM   
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Pinching? That is for when you are all cranky. GRAB a big handful!! That's what it's for!!

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RE: Trying to learn - 9/1/2010 7:28:29 AM   
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Nu-uh, Lady H-it's all about *pressure*!

Pressure=Force/Area

So the smaller the bit of bum that you grab the more yelp-effect you have for the same amount of force!

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