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-=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs dominati... - 9/4/2010 10:17:18 PM   
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If a woman gives a man a 'reach around' when she is sucking his cock, gives him a little prostrate stimulation, is that the same as being ass-raped by a Dominatrix with the AssMaster 9000 strap on? 

I get asked about sex vs domination a lot and I think the anal sex question above illustrates it best.  The question in my mind isn't where the boundary between 1 finger or 2 fingers takes it out of the category of blow job and into anal sex.  It is a question of where being serviced ends and being dominated begins.

Taking control and grabbing someone by the hair on the nape of their neck and fucking them in the face instead of letting them suck your cock is domination.  If a Dominant is receiving the oral services of a submissive, it is indeed a much more passive act.  Depending on the level of verbal command he gives, she may indeed be in control of the pleasure he receives.  However, many feel letting a submissive prepare a nice meal affords no more control than passively receiving a nice blow job or letting the submissive get on top and give the Dominant pleasure.  The measure is who is getting serviced to gauge who is in ultimate control . . . even if the submissive has influence or control of the delivery or style of service.

Being skwered by the AssMaster 9000 is an act of domination. 

Do you see the perspective, do you agree?

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/4/2010 10:22:37 PM   
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Being skewered seems about as unpleasant as it sounds, IMO, but really, I think straight guys spend too much time worrying about this stuff, i.e., "If I like her to stick 2 fingers in, does that make me a submissive, or maybe a homo?"

When I am arching my back in orgasm, trying to do the mental calculus of who gave what verbal command at what level, and whether there are one or two knuckles in what part of my body just seems like way too much homework.

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/4/2010 10:23:52 PM   
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Well *I* agree. What's wrong with a little prostate massage?

Now if a guy wants to be assraped, well shoot, how can a gal not want to oblige? ;)

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/4/2010 10:24:19 PM   
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Being skewered seems about as unpleasant as it sounds, IMO, but really, I think straight guys spend too much time worrying about this stuff, i.e., "If I like her to stick 2 fingers in, does that make me a submissive, or maybe a homo?"

When I am arching my back in orgasm, trying to do the mental calculus of who gave what verbal command at what level, and whether there are one or two knuckles in what part of my body just seems like way too much homework.

I think it's "3 fingers or less and your still safely a hetro"



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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/4/2010 10:26:50 PM   
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Well *I* agree. What's wrong with a little prostate massage?

Now if a guy wants to be assraped, well shoot, how can a gal not want to oblige? ;)

You have an AssMaster 9000 don't you?

There are a lot of scenarios - like forced "milking" a submissive male using prostrate massage.    I hope to see the replies explore where CMer's feel the boundaries lie.





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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/4/2010 10:37:52 PM   
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Sadly, I do not have an Assmaster 9000. Does it come in glow in the dark? I love things that glow in the dark.

Prostate milking only takes a few fingers. Or a cattle prod. Not that I have ever used a cattle prod, I never cared for electro play. ;)

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/4/2010 11:27:58 PM   
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If a woman gives a man a 'reach around' when she is sucking his cock, gives him a little prostrate stimulation, is that the same as being ass-raped by a Dominatrix with the AssMaster 9000 strap on? 
I think if the man didn't want anything up His ass, He'd rightly feel ass-raped but, if He liked it, I would consider it as one more way I could serve Him. Personally, I would never ever do that without asking first whether He liked it or not.
I get asked about sex vs domination a lot and I think the anal sex question above illustrates it best.  The question in my mind isn't where the boundary between 1 finger or 2 fingers takes it out of the category of blow job and into anal sex.  It is a question of where being serviced ends and being dominated begins.
I think.....when the submissive is actively doing something for the Dominant, the Dominant is being serviced....where the Dominant is actively doing something to/taking something from the submissive S/He is Dominating.
Taking control and grabbing someone by the hair on the nape of their neck and fucking them in the face instead of letting them suck your cock is domination.  If a Dominant is receiving the oral services of a submissive, it is indeed a much more passive act.  Depending on the level of verbal command he gives, she may indeed be in control of the pleasure he receives. 
I would agree with this.....in the first scenario there was Dominating, in the second scenario there was servicing. Which is probably why, whenever Someone received lipservice from me, every so often He would grab me by the hair to re-inforce Who was boss....because He intuitively knew that hair-pulling would make it a more Dominant act.
However, many feel letting a submissive prepare a nice meal affords no more control than passively receiving a nice blow job or letting the submissive get on top and give the Dominant pleasure. 
I can see where it could seem that way, but I try to - in my submissive mind - keep seeing it as Who is allowing me to do those things.
The measure is who is getting serviced to gauge who is in ultimate control . . . even if the submissive has influence or control of the delivery or style of service.
Yes.
Being skewered by the AssMaster 9000 is an act of domination. 
Absolutely.
Do you see the perspective, do you agree?
Yes.


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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 1:22:25 AM   
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quote:

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ORIGINAL: AnimusRex

Being skewered seems about as unpleasant as it sounds, IMO, but really, I think straight guys spend too much time worrying about this stuff, i.e., "If I like her to stick 2 fingers in, does that make me a submissive, or maybe a homo?"

When I am arching my back in orgasm, trying to do the mental calculus of who gave what verbal command at what level, and whether there are one or two knuckles in what part of my body just seems like way too much homework.

I think it's "3 fingers or less and your still safely a hetro"




Yeah, I think the "three fingers" benchmark is solid ;-)

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 2:09:15 AM   
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Being skwered by the AssMaster 9000 is an act of domination. 



Unless you command her to do it [hard!]

The boundaries are... there are no boundaries. Its all a matter of personal perception.

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 2:53:11 AM   
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I think.....when the submissive is actively doing something for the Dominant, the Dominant is being serviced....where the Dominant is actively doing something to/taking something from the submissive S/He is Dominating.

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Agreed.  The physical act is not as important as the mental/emotional dynamics - who's directing the action?


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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 5:57:05 AM   
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Yeah, I do see the perspective and definitely the appeal, but I'm not sure I agree that it's inherently more dominant than being serviced. Saying "suck my cock" and getting it is as dominant as forcing it into his mouth. It's a matter of what style of domination the parties involved are into.

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 7:00:57 AM   
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RS, you just wanted to talk about ass and face fucking.  

I really don't determine Dominance and submission by acts.  I also don't necessarily determine it by physical force.  It's more about the underlying control for Me.  A Dominant may very well command a submissive to top him exactly the way he wants.  Even right down to the very way she swings the flogger against his back.  She may be doing the swinging, but he's the one who is really in control.

Just because the act is sexual doesn't change the perception.  A Dominant who simply commands his submissive to suck him off with a little anal action included isn't any less Dominant than the one who grabs the gal by the hair and rams his cock down her throat.  It has everything to do with the frame of mind of the participants.  One could even argue that the former of the two examples is the person who is more Dominant of the two because he doesn't have to do anything but utter the words to get exactly what he wants (depending on his preference in how he likes oral sex to begin with).


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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 7:06:54 AM   
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I often wonder why people think like this. Is it because its penetrative? If so, all female Dommes that have sex are acting submissively
Perhaps its unmanly? a sign that he must be a closet gay or submissive! or perhaps its just a hang up by those wanting to be perceived as dominant!
Can't dominant men have intimate internal places too?

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 7:17:59 AM   
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The measure is who is getting serviced to gauge who is in ultimate control . . . even if the submissive has influence or control of the delivery or style of service.
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I know my Sir's perspective on this and will state it.
He has ultimate control when, how and if I even place my tongue or lip on his cock.  By now I know how I can get the action going fast enough for my favorite part..my pleasure, his cum.  But he will halt the action during or just before, for his pleasure to see me beg.

At his command I am allowed to place my finger in or on his ass or even my tongue.  I might beg till I am dead, but everything is under his control.

So no we do not agree with you.  Control is domination in our relationship.


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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 10:10:26 AM   
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Look at it this way RS....if he asks/orders her to suck his cock and she complies and does the "reach around" and he says nothing, or if he is not specific in how he wants her to suck his cock then I fail to see how she is now dominating him. He wanted pleasure through oral sex, he did not state exactly how it was to be done; even though she chose to massage his prostate and he still had his request obeyed regardless on the added techniques she used to bring him off.

I can safely say that with most males who greatly enjoy receiving oral sex, that they are not overly concerned with the sub doing the act on whether the sub is taking a bit more initiative by varying the suction, or adding in a bit of prostate massaging or including other techniques to make the cock sucking experience more pleasurable for the receiver. Seems to me that having a sub using a bit of imagination and initiative adds to the enjoyment and still falls in the realm of the sub complying with the wishes of their dominant.



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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 10:27:42 AM   
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Agreed.  The physical act is not as important as the mental/emotional dynamics - who's directing the action?



Pretty much this.
If a dom wants his sub to assfuck him with a strapon, he can get it, and still be dom, so long as that's not a hard limit for the sub.

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 10:35:13 AM   
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When I am arching my back in orgasm, trying to do the mental calculus of who gave what verbal command at what level, and whether there are one or two knuckles in what part of my body just seems like way too much homework.
*laughs* I think I love you Animus. Honestly, this was my thought also. I am WAY too lazy to do all this bookkeeping. Of course, I also strongly suspect that Carol & I get a free pass from all the "who's in control" questions because neither of us particularly grooves on control and the answer between the two of us is just so obvious anyway.

To answer your question Resident, I can think of absolutely nothing which would change the nature of who's in control within my marriage. Carol is "sex positive" and in the bedroom likes to do lots of things.... hell.. pretty much everything. That includes topping. What's that got to do with who's in control. At any instant I could flip us over, command her to spread her legs and take her. In fact, we frequently do swap top/bottom at least once or twice during any particular sex event.

I have no "line" to draw.

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 2:09:46 PM   
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If you order her to slip on a strap on and give you a pounding prostate massage, while telling her 'harder' 'slower' 'faster' etc, then you're still in control. If you teach her how you like it and just tell her to do it the way you like it, then it's still domination.

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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 2:54:34 PM   
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Sadly, I do not have an Assmaster 9000. Does it come in glow in the dark? I love things that glow in the dark.

Prostate milking only takes a few fingers. Or a cattle prod. Not that I have ever used a cattle prod, I never cared for electro play. ;)


Lady H, I got that glow in the dark action for ya!

Sparkly Twlight-inspired, uh, "condom demonstrators"
Glow In The Dark Vibrating Strap-On
Clone-A-Willy Glow In The Dark Kit
Glow In The Dark Harness & Dongs
Glow In The Dark Jelly Eager Beaver
Glow In The Dark Luv Touch Mini G-spot Vibrator
Ophoria GLO In the Dark Dildo by Lover's Choice, Contoured

And many more (I ran out of attention span before Amazon ran out of glow in the dark sex toys. Go to the "Health & Personal Care" section and search for "glow in the dark".







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RE: -=Ass-rape vs a reach around, sex & service vs domi... - 9/5/2010 3:31:04 PM   
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Anal sex - So you are saying that the guy on bottom getting ass-hammered isn't in a submissive position or being submissive because he asked for it?  Isn't that more like a switch than a Dom?

You will never see the dominant alpha male wolf getting humped by his subordinates.  One of the precepts behind the male-dom / fem-sub credo being the natural order is that a woman must submit to being penetrated in order to procreate.  The man must get excited, erect and then jam his member into her violating her interior space . . . a very invasive and dominant act.  I sorta' thought it was what was behind the universal appeal and popularity of a Dominatrix with an AssMaster 9000?  It is a radical role reversal for a man, making it exciting forbidden fruit.  

...just sayin', it sounds switchy to me.


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