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Hillwilliam -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 7:48:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Calling these people Liberals is an insult to the true meaning of the word but I think whats got Bill Hill and rmls panties in knots is that they know Im right.

Leftists cant touch Christies actual arguments so they have to throw out their red herrings and their straw men  and their ad hominems while desperately hoping that no one catches their deliberate obfuscations.

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

So calling someone a "liberal" is an insult in your opinion?




Little one, you really ought to read ALL My posts before calling me a liberal. for instance, a post I made on this thread referring to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as "sleazebags" Does that sound liberal or is your short term memory failing? Failing to take your medication does that you know.




Sanity -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 8:24:09 PM)


Youre not the first racist leftist Ive seen posting here, and the premise of your Jackson thread was racist.

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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam
Little one, you really ought to read ALL My posts before calling me a liberal. for instance, a post I made on this thread referring to Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson as "sleazebags" Does that sound liberal or is your short term memory failing? Failing to take your medication does that you know.




Owner59 -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 8:33:26 PM)

Oh jezzzz....the telaprompter whine.......again.......

http://www.northjersey.com/news/082410_nj_loses_race_to_the_top_money.html

"N.J. loses bid for federal Race to the Top money "

He just bungled the federal education program ,Race To The Top,losing $400 million for NJ`s schools.

He`s a big fat huge 400 million dollar fuck up.

Our dumbshit governor is now blaming Bret Schundler,his ex-education commissioner.Bret is calling Chris a liar,the dumbshit is doing the same.It was stupid accounting mistakes and they had chances to correct them and didn`t.Christie is just a dumbfuck and who hires dumb fucks.Then blames everyone but himself.

I`ll take a leader who is competent and capable,thoughtful and candid who reads from a frick`n teleprompter!!.......... over the most eloquent of loser fuck-ups,....... like NJ Gov. Chris Christie.

He pulls another boner like that one and he`s toast.This isn`t the 1st time he`s cost taxpayer`s money over stupid stuff.

In Jersey we are fair but fuckups get the boot,...quick.

Schundler`s political career is over.He one run in the GOP primary for governor,after winning the Mayorship of Jersey City.He used to be thought of as a GOP bright star.lol

Can we send Christie`s incompetent,responsibility ducking loser ass to your state one way?




Sanity -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 8:34:08 PM)


Obsession is what Leftist are aflicted with in regards to Palin, Coulter, Limbaugh, Bush, Cheney, et al.

And a few teleprompter jokes doesnt an obsession make. Ive seen enough leftists commenting on it to know that its not at all just conservatives whove pointedly joked about the big 0s  teleprompter crutch, and why was todays uh, um, uh, news, uh conference Obamas first since May if theres no problem with his public speaking.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

I've heard presidents that could not speak coherently in any circumstance without a teleprompter.

For some reason, many conservatives have been obsessed with Obama's use of a teleprompter (practically since the election, fancy that!)  They also tend to fail to notice that he usually speaks well without a teleprompter.  Like that sit-down with Republicans debating health care, which was all off-the-cuff.





Hillwilliam -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 8:34:47 PM)

No it isnt. I said he is a sleazebag. I mentioned nothing about his race. He has no job but he lives like a king. he has never worked at a "real job" a day in his life. He creates conflict in places where there is none and cashes in on it. All of this, he does in the name of God. THAT is what makes him a sleazebag. it has nothing to do with race.

Face it sanity, history is FULL of people who were great orators who were lowlives and despots. Hitler, Mussolini, Castro, Kim, Hussein. All these people could speak off the cuff and with heart and no notes or teleprompter.

Does that make them more valuable than the 180 Grains of lead that it woulde take to end their career?
HELL NO

Your "hero" in this thread is a good speaker. PERIOD.

By your reasoning, if Jesus had been a stutterer, he wouldnt have been worth following.




Sanity -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 8:37:01 PM)


Looks like theres some leftist obsession beginning to foment around New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie as well... [:D]




Hillwilliam -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 8:38:57 PM)

The above is in response to sanity claiming my calling Jesse jackson shows that I am a "Liberal Racist"

Not a reply to thorn




Owner59 -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 8:48:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Looks like theres some leftist obsession beginning to foment around New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie as well... [:D]




Obsession is when one posts,rants and whine about one person or thing over and over and over and over again and again and again.


lol


I just read the news paper..............once.



lol




TheHeretic -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 9:10:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Looks like theres some leftist obsession beginning to foment around New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie as well... [:D]




The bile cometh, but it isn't hard to see the fear in their eyes.

Christie says he isn't running in '12, but I'd like to see him in a serious cabinet post as a plank. Labor, maybe.




Owner59 -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 9:15:01 PM)

Reminissent of the bushies,.....

The more you fucked up,the higher up you were promoted.


[:D]

I see you two are laughing aroung a huge fuck-up.....he-he....

Like it`s not there......tee-he-he......

No.....there`s no 400 million dollar dead body in the corner......

lol

When one is at a complete loss.......there`s aways make pretend......


[:D]






luckydawg -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 9:27:07 PM)

So you are saing Obama (and the democratics)set up a wierd Competition for school funds that force the States to keep re submitting and filling out papers or thier Children suffer.

And Obama decided that a Republican failed the race (surprise suprise), so kids in that state will suffer.

And that is supposed to make people vote for Democrats?

Ahh, such a wierd World.




TheHeretic -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 9:33:45 PM)

So are you taking a position that the Federal gov't has a morally and constitutionally correct authority to dangle make-or-break sums of education money, public tax dollars, over the several states to make them dance to the tune of Washington? Are you sure you wanna ride that shopping cart, Basiji?





Hillwilliam -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 9:34:49 PM)

The first state to get the max race to the top money was TN which is a VERY Republican state.




Owner59 -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 9:52:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

So you are saing Obama (and the democratics)set up a wierd Competition for school funds that force the States to keep re submitting and filling out papers or thier Children suffer.

And Obama decided that a Republican failed the race (surprise suprise), so kids in that state will suffer.

And that is supposed to make people vote for Democrats?

Ahh, such a wierd World.


Everyone had an equal chance to complete for the money.Every state.Christie tried and fucked up.

It was a stupid fuck up too.And they were told about it and didn`t do anything.He dropped the ball,bad.And lost us 400 million that would be going to improve our schools.


What,are the feds now going to say,..... "do over"?

Then the cry-baby-neo-cons will be crying that Obama is giving favors or some other putrid cry-baby act.

This was Christie`s fuck up and his alone.He owns it all.

And the way he`s trying to squirm out of it is really low class,almost obnoxious.He can`t get his story straight and seems to blame anyone but himself.Perhaps that`s why neo-cons are attracted to him.

I wonder if it will come up in Iowa?[:D]

Maybe he`ll run with Sarah![:D]

NJ has the country`s best school system.It was running fine before he decided it needed "reform".He is typically(for GOP dicks) making our teachers the enemy.It`s not welcome.
Most people in Jersey like their schools, just the way they are.



You guys are certainly up to speed in your apologist skills as well as your laugh/joke around the dead body skills,tho.[:D]

bush encouraged some useful talents for his party members.




luckydawg -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 9:57:51 PM)

Yeah Gore was a hard core Republican alright. Put the Con in Neo Con.


In the second round of awards ten states (the DOE considers DC to be a state) got it. 6 pretty democratic, and 3 swing states.


Obama rewarding Ohio with a big Chunk of extra Money, right before the election.

Wow, who could imagiane such a thing.

We already have proof that the Democrats are using the denying of funds as a campaign issue.


And Hawaii? Where they close schools on Fridays to save money? Seriously, we desperatly need help with our schools out here, but we are winning the "race to the top"? That's insane....




tazzygirl -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 10:23:43 PM)

A look into that 400 Million dollar "mistake" on behalf of a Christie employee...

The mistake, reported Tuesday by The Star-Ledger of Newark, resulted from a failure to correctly read a straight-forward question worth not quite 5 of the competition’s 500 points. The application asked states vying for billions in federal funds to compare their 2008 and 2009 school budgets to illustrate their commitment to education financing. Instead, a New Jersey official, whom the governor would not identify, compared the state’s 2010 and 2011 financing, thus forfeiting the points.

Not so fast, the state’s largest teachers union responded. The real problem was the governor’s failure to secure support from a large number of school districts — which cost more points than the clerical error and was cited specifically by some judges as a weakness.

In a lengthy news conference on Wednesday, Governor Christie, a Republican, said he took ultimate responsibility for the error, which “believe me,” he said, “I am not thrilled about.” But he said no one would be fired over the matter, then he assumed his signature anti-Washington tone. The Obama administration, he said, should have called, or checked the state’s Web site, when it discovered the error, which was on just one page of a 1,000-page application.

“That’s the stuff that drives people nuts about government, and that’s what the Obama administration should answer for,” he said. “When the president comes back to New Jersey, he is going to have to explain to the people of the state of New Jersey why he is depriving them of $400 million that this application earned them, because one of his bureaucrats in Washington couldn’t pick up the phone and ask a question.”



It was an ignominious end to a process that had already been marred by broken agreements and name-calling between the state government and New Jersey’s most powerful teachers’ union, the New Jersey Education Association, which Mr. Christie regularly criticizes as an intractable barrier to progress on school reform.

After the state’s failure to reach the finals of the first round of the federal competition under the leadership of Gov. Jon S. Corzine, Mr. Christie’s commissioner of education, Bret Schundler, hammered out a draft agreement with the union in the days before the second round application was due. He and the union said they thought that would increase the state’s chances.

But Mr. Christie, deciding the compromise had severely weakened the state’s ability to carry out measures derided by the union — like establishing merit pay for individual teachers, using student test scores as a primary measure of a teacher’s performance and making it tougher for teachers to get tenure — rejected the agreement announced on May 27.

That left the state with little more than the Memorial Day weekend to complete a new version of the application, which was due that Tuesday. In the end, only one person was assigned to review the checklist for the 700-page appendix to the grant application, Mr. Christie said Wednesday. In the future, with an application of such magnitude, two people will be assigned to the task, he said.

Justin Hamilton, a spokesman for the federal Education Department, said no state had been allowed to change its application after the June 1 deadline, in the interest of fairness.

Mr. Christie cited only the clerical error in explaining the state’s loss, but a look at the score sheet, released on Wednesday, showed that the state lost more points in other areas of its application, in part because it got only 59 percent of its 645 school districts to agree to carry out Race to the Top reforms, and only 1 percent of its unions. In New York, which was among the winners, all districts signed on.

Barbara Keshishian, the president of the New Jersey Education Association, said the state’s loss was a direct result of Mr. Christie’s misguided decision “to reject the collaboration required by the U.S. Department of Education.”

New Jersey lost 14 points for the union’s lack of support, by Mr. Christie’s own accounting, and 16 points for its failure to make as much progress on statewide student and teacher data systems as other states. Even in the area with Mr. Christie’s most aggressive changes, in educator certification and evaluation, the state came up 14 points short.

But because the clerical mistake appeared to be a stunning error, not policy, it ended up at center stage. The Assembly Appropriations Committee announced it would hold an inquiry into how the mistake happened.

Anyone that has been involved in a grant application process knows that there are rules involved,” the Assembly speaker, Sheila Y. Oliver, said. “We don’t do that in our own state, allow special dispensation for people who made a mistake when applying. If in our own process there are no do-overs, how can we want one from Washington?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/nyregion/26njrace.html?_r=1

He took responsibility in one breath, then tossed it away with the next.

Rules are rules. Demanding they be changed because you only hired one employee to do a job which should have taken many to do is insanity.




TheHeretic -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 10:38:21 PM)

A 1000 page application huh? How many of President Obama's "created jobs" are as completely fucking useless as those of the people who wrote and then reviewed those?

Does anybody see a problem here?




tazzygirl -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 10:51:54 PM)

In his remarks after the meeting with students, the President explained how it all works, and the logic behind "Race to the Top":

Last year, we set aside more than $4 billion to improve our schools -- one of the largest investments in reform in our nation's history. But we didn't just hand this money out to states that wanted it; we challenged them to compete for it. And it's the competitive nature of this initiative that we believe helps make it so effective. We laid out a few key criteria and said if you meet these tests, we'll reward you by helping you reform your schools.

First, we encouraged states to adopt more challenging standards that will actually prepare our kids for college and their careers. We also encouraged schools to adopt better assessments -- not just one-size-fits-all approaches -- to measure what our kids know and what they're able to do.

Second, we urged schools and school districts to make sure we have excellent principals leading our schools and great teachers leading our classes by promoting rigorous plans to develop and evaluate teachers and principals and by rewarding their success.

Third, we urged states to use cutting-edge data systems to track a child's progress throughout their academic career, and to link that child's progress to their teachers so we know what's working and what's not working in the classroom. Fourth, we encouraged states to show a stronger commitment to turning around some of their lowest-performing schools.

And even before states have received a single dime of taxpayer money, many of them have committed to instituting important reforms to better position themselves for a Race to the Top grant. Forty-eight states have now joined a nationwide partnership to develop a common set of rigorous, career-ready standards in reading and math. Wisconsin has enacted legislation permitting schools to link student achievement to the performance of teachers and principals. In Illinois, Louisiana, Tennessee, California, we've seen changes in laws or policies to let public charter schools expand and succeed. These are public schools with more independence that are formed by teachers, parents, and community members.

So by rewarding some of these states submitting applications today, by extending the Race to the Top for states, by launching a Race to the Top among school districts, and by applying the principles of Race to the Top to other federal programs, we'll build on this success. We're going to raise the bar for all our students and take bigger steps towards closing the achievement gap that denies so many students, especially black and Latino students, a fair shot at their dreams.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2010/01/19/speeding-race-top

Sounds reasonable to me. You want money? Show you are working towards the goals to get it.




Owner59 -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/10/2010 11:15:44 PM)

Thanks tazzy,but you don`t realize that rich`s question wasn`t sincere or honest.

Thanks for helping to inform.




luckydawg -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 3:36:13 AM)

Very imformative tazzy.

I like how it notes that the Democrat govenor could not even get into the finals.

Whitman had to step in and try to fix it.

And that it was the teachers who refused to go along.




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