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tazzygirl -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 5:18:05 AM)


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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Very imformative tazzy.

I like how it notes that the Democrat govenor could not even get into the finals.

Whitman had to step in and try to fix it.

And that it was the teachers who refused to go along.



It was a 400 million dollar mistake... so the conservatives would have you believe. In actuality, it was a series of mistakes and dropped balls.




rulemylife -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 7:08:07 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Calling these people Liberals is an insult to the true meaning of the word but I think whats got Bill Hill and rmls panties in knots is that they know Im right.

Leftists cant touch Christies actual arguments so they have to throw out their red herrings and their straw men  and their ad hominems while desperately hoping that no one catches their deliberate obfuscations.


Who are you trying to kid?

You never had any intention of discussing his arguments, and you have not done so once through this whole thread.

Your title and opening comments were just an attempt to slam Obama, and fawn over Christie like a schoolgirl with a crush on her teacher.




TheOldinoutinout -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 7:18:35 AM)

Looks bad.




rulemylife -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 7:41:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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It was a stupid fuck up too.And they were told about it and didn`t do anything.He dropped the ball,bad.And lost us 400 million that would be going to improve our schools.


And yet for some reason, this seems to have made you very happy. Do you hate all kids or just the ones who live in right leaning states?



When did New Jersey become a right-leaning state?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 8:02:21 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Aileen1968


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ORIGINAL: peacefulplace

God, the governor of NJ is a flaming asshole!


Actually.... this guy is the NJ poster child for flaming asshole.


Id put Menendez and his daughter on the NJ ahole list.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 8:07:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

In his remarks after the meeting with students, the President explained how it all works, and the logic behind "Race to the Top":



there is no logic to it, since Federal money on education is flushed down the sewer.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 8:08:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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It was a stupid fuck up too.And they were told about it and didn`t do anything.He dropped the ball,bad.And lost us 400 million that would be going to improve our schools.


And yet for some reason, this seems to have made you very happy. Do you hate all kids or just the ones who live in right leaning states?



When did New Jersey become a right-leaning state?



After all the criminals are in jail it will be overwhelmingly right-leaning. Unless Obama gives felons the right to vote.




truckinslave -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 8:21:18 AM)

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And that it was the teachers who refused to go along


The "1% of unions" thing jumped out at me too.




mnottertail -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 8:35:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: thishereboi

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It was a stupid fuck up too.And they were told about it and didn`t do anything.He dropped the ball,bad.And lost us 400 million that would be going to improve our schools.


And yet for some reason, this seems to have made you very happy. Do you hate all kids or just the ones who live in right leaning states?



When did New Jersey become a right-leaning state?



After all the criminals are in jail it will be overwhelmingly right-leaning. Unless Obama gives felons the right to vote.


Kenneth Lay and Bernie Madoff and all the other socialist bastards come to mind........but its your world in your head. 




Sanity -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 8:55:48 AM)


Id like to see the Governors rebuttal to thats slanted New York Slimes article taz,

Christie would tear that typically far left reporter a new asshole, with no teleprompter needed.  [;)]

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

A look into that 400 Million dollar "mistake" on behalf of a Christie employee...

The mistake, reported Tuesday by The Star-Ledger of Newark, resulted from a failure to correctly read a straight-forward question worth not quite 5 of the competition’s 500 points. The application asked states vying for billions in federal funds to compare their 2008 and 2009 school budgets to illustrate their commitment to education financing. Instead, a New Jersey official, whom the governor would not identify, compared the state’s 2010 and 2011 financing, thus forfeiting the points.

Not so fast, the state’s largest teachers union responded. The real problem was the governor’s failure to secure support from a large number of school districts — which cost more points than the clerical error and was cited specifically by some judges as a weakness.

In a lengthy news conference on Wednesday, Governor Christie, a Republican, said he took ultimate responsibility for the error, which “believe me,” he said, “I am not thrilled about.” But he said no one would be fired over the matter, then he assumed his signature anti-Washington tone. The Obama administration, he said, should have called, or checked the state’s Web site, when it discovered the error, which was on just one page of a 1,000-page application.

“That’s the stuff that drives people nuts about government, and that’s what the Obama administration should answer for,” he said. “When the president comes back to New Jersey, he is going to have to explain to the people of the state of New Jersey why he is depriving them of $400 million that this application earned them, because one of his bureaucrats in Washington couldn’t pick up the phone and ask a question.”



It was an ignominious end to a process that had already been marred by broken agreements and name-calling between the state government and New Jersey’s most powerful teachers’ union, the New Jersey Education Association, which Mr. Christie regularly criticizes as an intractable barrier to progress on school reform.

After the state’s failure to reach the finals of the first round of the federal competition under the leadership of Gov. Jon S. Corzine, Mr. Christie’s commissioner of education, Bret Schundler, hammered out a draft agreement with the union in the days before the second round application was due. He and the union said they thought that would increase the state’s chances.

But Mr. Christie, deciding the compromise had severely weakened the state’s ability to carry out measures derided by the union — like establishing merit pay for individual teachers, using student test scores as a primary measure of a teacher’s performance and making it tougher for teachers to get tenure — rejected the agreement announced on May 27.

That left the state with little more than the Memorial Day weekend to complete a new version of the application, which was due that Tuesday. In the end, only one person was assigned to review the checklist for the 700-page appendix to the grant application, Mr. Christie said Wednesday. In the future, with an application of such magnitude, two people will be assigned to the task, he said.

Justin Hamilton, a spokesman for the federal Education Department, said no state had been allowed to change its application after the June 1 deadline, in the interest of fairness.

Mr. Christie cited only the clerical error in explaining the state’s loss, but a look at the score sheet, released on Wednesday, showed that the state lost more points in other areas of its application, in part because it got only 59 percent of its 645 school districts to agree to carry out Race to the Top reforms, and only 1 percent of its unions. In New York, which was among the winners, all districts signed on.

Barbara Keshishian, the president of the New Jersey Education Association, said the state’s loss was a direct result of Mr. Christie’s misguided decision “to reject the collaboration required by the U.S. Department of Education.”

New Jersey lost 14 points for the union’s lack of support, by Mr. Christie’s own accounting, and 16 points for its failure to make as much progress on statewide student and teacher data systems as other states. Even in the area with Mr. Christie’s most aggressive changes, in educator certification and evaluation, the state came up 14 points short.

But because the clerical mistake appeared to be a stunning error, not policy, it ended up at center stage. The Assembly Appropriations Committee announced it would hold an inquiry into how the mistake happened.

Anyone that has been involved in a grant application process knows that there are rules involved,” the Assembly speaker, Sheila Y. Oliver, said. “We don’t do that in our own state, allow special dispensation for people who made a mistake when applying. If in our own process there are no do-overs, how can we want one from Washington?”

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/26/nyregion/26njrace.html?_r=1

He took responsibility in one breath, then tossed it away with the next.

Rules are rules. Demanding they be changed because you only hired one employee to do a job which should have taken many to do is insanity.




mnottertail -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 9:01:01 AM)

You beg me for money, you can't fill out an application correctly...my fault if I am a democrat.   

Whens the last time the department of taxation (at your state level) called you and said, hey; you didn't pay enough taxes so, since you are too fucking dumb to read the question (while you get paid what?  To run what?) we are going to shovel money in your face anyway?  Just curious, I am sure you have anecdotal evidence that in this case, Obama should have favored NJ regardless, because it is repub, and that would be ok, but if Kerry's wife buys a yacht..........

You know, song and dance time, tom...





TheHeretic -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 9:12:38 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail


You know, song and dance time





It surely is, Ron. The feds take our money, squander a chunk of it creating more bureaucrats to harass the people and eat out their substance, and want to see that song and dance before they think about giving some of it back.




mnottertail -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 9:25:54 AM)

Well, you are gonna have to cite some of that, because I am looking and I don't see any more federal employees than in 1963.  I also see alotta states (35 I think) that get more federal money than they put in.   I see alotta states wasting money on seeing that sports stadiums get big breaks in taxes and bonding them and several other boondoggles.......

So, what am I missing in what you are saying?  I get the feds aint doing any long term good for the people, rather they are exporting our brand of democracy to a bunch of people have no use for it, and listening to lobbies instead of the constituents........




Lucylastic -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 11:34:44 AM)

Yeah I think not, remember the baltimore republican trashing? all without one... whipped em good
need a reminder?




luckydawg -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 1:24:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl


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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Very imformative tazzy.

I like how it notes that the Democrat govenor could not even get into the finals.

Whitman had to step in and try to fix it.

And that it was the teachers who refused to go along.



It was a 400 million dollar mistake... so the conservatives would have you believe. In actuality, it was a series of mistakes and dropped balls.




Actually Tazzy, the first I ever heard of it was from Democrat partisan o59.

Unless you are saying he is actually a Conservative trying to make Lefties look bad.

Who emphatically is asserting it was a 400 million $ fuck up by Christie and is trying to score points with it.

To hide the fact that the Previous Democrat govenor could not even get into the finals, and the Uniouns fought the reforms tooth and nail.




luckydawg -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 1:29:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: rulemylife

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Dont be such a cunt, changing the words when you quote me has got to be the lowest.

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ORIGINAL: thornhappy

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ORIGINAL: Sanity
Obsession is what Rightists are afflicted with in regards to Obama's teleprompter.




I don't know, I'm looking at it right there in print so you must have said it.

Or did someone misquote you? 

Naw, that's not possible, you're just trying to do damage control so you don't get strung up by your balls in a dungeon somewhere by Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity  (I hear they're kind of kinky).

From your Castro thread:

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Nice try comrade but his admission, which its obvious that what he initially said is true,  blew up in Fidels face.

Hes attempting damage control now so that his own party doesnt suspend him by his balls in a dark dungeon somewhere as theyve done to so many others before for  smaller offenses than that.







I really have to wonder why RML likes to show off his inability to comprehend what he reads, or hold ideas through a thread. Though it does explain the Obama support.

Everyone can see that thorn changed Sanity's quote as a snark. Yeah its a cheap trick, but it gets done.




Owner59 -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 1:46:01 PM)

Right right right,......................feds bad.

We know how cons feel.................Whatever.

That`s not the point,tho.Is it?

Your guy fucked up and fucked up bad.

How typically immature for cons to blame the big bad monster,"the government" when it`s time to skirt.Such a convenient scapegoat and requires only a 6 y/o`s intelligence to blame that big bad monster,"the government".That`s like someone blaming the weather for their fuck-ups.

Talk about fuck`n sour grapes......pathetic.....Those federal dollars sucked anyway.Who needs`m?[8|]

Fuck that big bad monsterous, 400 million dollars.[8|]

You cons prefer your federal mandates, un-funded anyway,don`t you?.

I don`t know how the blather mouths can say federal dollars don`t help states.It`s American money.Did I say pathetic?




luckydawg -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 1:51:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Owner59

Right right right,......................feds bad.

We know how cons feel.................Whatever.

That`s not the point,tho.Is it?

Your guy fucked up and fucked up bad.

How typically immature for cons to blame the big bad monster,"the government" when it`s time to skirt.Such a convenient scapegoat and requires only a 6 y/o`s intelligence to blame that big bad monster,"the government".

Talk about fuck`n sour grapes......pathetic.....Those federal dollars sucked anyway.

Fuck that big bad monsterous, 400 million dollars.

That`s like someone blaming the weather for their fuck-ups.

You cons prefer your federal mandates, un-funded anyway,don`t you?.

Perhaps if Christie got a bunch of people killed or homeless or broke,he`d have a better shot at GOP nomination.Yes?

I don`t know how the blather mouths can say federal dollars don`t help states.It`s American money.Did I say pathetic?



Not sure why you think Lucy supports Christie.

"She also noted that an area where New Jersey’s score jumped 23 points since its failed first-round bid was the section on creating “great teachers and leaders.” That part included several of the key proposals the NJEA protested, such as individual merit pay and undercutting seniority rules by retaining the most effective teachers when budget cuts require layoffs."


Fucking Democratics could not even get to the finals. They really put the teachers unions before the kids. What a shitty state to live in.




luckydawg -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 2:20:49 PM)

ah yes, changing the subject.

good plan RML.

Silly liberals think alike.




rulemylife -> RE: No Teleprompter Required (9/11/2010 2:27:05 PM)

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ORIGINAL: luckydawg

ah yes, changing the subject.

good plan RML.

Silly liberals think alike.


How exactly am I doing that?




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