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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 7:51:26 PM

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I have no issue with your supposition. In their place, i may have done the same. However, they did fire first, making it an attack against a US vessel.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 7:51:28 PM

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Nothing succedes like sucess.

See you on November 3rd Sargeant Swagger. ; )

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 7:57:13 PM

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Well, Tazzy, knowing a little bit about the pirates who go out to make the assaults, I'd say it was a dumbass panic reaction. Kinda like the joyriding teens who make their situation much, much worse, by leading the cops on a high-speed chase.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 8:10:14 PM

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Oh i dont disagree. Was kinda stupid and knee jerk. That doesnt lessen, distract or remove the fact that these ships were flying US flags and were fired upon first by the pirates.

My original post and assertion still stands.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 8:18:54 PM

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As does my assertion that there might be a communication glitch.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 8:28:44 PM

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This was the initial assertion....

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

And as to the silly slam at Bush Policy. There were
absolutly ZERO attacks by African Pirates, under Bush. Zero under Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, all the way back to 1804.

Untill Obama, they didn't dare.

as happens so often, o59 is simply making shit up.

“Every indication is that this is the first time a U.S.-flagged ship has been successfully seized by pirates,” said Lt. Nathan Christensen, a spokesperson for for the U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based 5th Fleet. The last documented pirate attack of a US vessel by African pirates was reported in 1804, off Libya, according to The Los Angeles Times.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/04/08-5

Post #12.

You then asked your question, post #16...

quote:

How many US flagged ones, RML?

Isn't it cute how bloodthirsty Basiji gets when it's a Democrat giving the orders?

No communication glitch, Dear. You asked what ships were flying US flags. Period. I answered. Then you decided to change the criteria to what merchant ships were flying US flags.

The assertion was made that no US ships were fired upon until Obama's administration. Again, proven wrong.

And, oddly enough, when i went to the LATimes web site and was told to do a search, i typed in the following...

quote:

0 results for search term(s): The (-) last (-) documented (-) pirate (-) attack (-) of (-) a (-) US (-) vessel (-)

No Results Found

quote:

0 results for search term(s): 1804 (-) last (-) pirate (-)

No Results Found

quote:

0 results for search term(s): 1804 (-) pirate (-) attack (-)

No Results Found

So i went back to look for the story by its link as follows...

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-somalia-hijack-americans9-2009apr09,0,7672354.story

quote:

Page Not Found

Sorry, the page you requested could not be found.

-- The URL link may have changed or expired. You may be able to find what you want by choosing a section from the list of links on this page, viewing our Site Map or by searching for a phrase or name.

-- If you copied the link, make sure you have the entire address.

-- Older published articles that are no longer available at latimes.com can be found at the Los Angeles Times archive. Searching is free, but there is a fee for downloading the full text of found articles.

Thank you for visiting latimes.com.

I simply cannot find that article lucky's post refers too. Hmmm...

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 8:40:41 PM

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What sort of ships do pirates try to capture, Tazzy?

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 8:43:13 PM

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Read the edited post. Again, that wasnt your question. Nor lucky's assertion.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 8:46:06 PM

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Have you met Julia, Tazzy? You two should get on the phone for a glass of wine.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/12/2010 8:47:39 PM

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Naaaa.. we dont get along all that well... no sense in wasting a good glass of wine.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 12:13:03 AM

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well I guess that only the one sentance that you bolded counts. and your choosing to bold makes it the only one relevant.

But I already agreed that Common Dreams is poorly written site.

"Every indication is that this is the first time a U.S.-flagged ship has been successfully seized by pirates,” said Lt. Nathan Christensen, a spokesperson for for the U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based 5th Fleet. "

My point, that Bush was never confronted with a similar situation is true.

The assertion Bush was doing nothing about Piracy is false.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 7:25:48 AM

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Lucky the liar knows that few US owned ships are flagged in the US.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience

Everyone knows that the policy toward piracy has changed.What we`re doing now is completely new.

Every nation that runs ships is upping their defenses and changing policy too.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 7:29:54 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

quote:

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Untill Obama, they didn't dare.

Bush did have an agressive proactive policy towards Piracy.

But no where in there is a Pirate attack on a US flagged merchant Vessel. That is of course what the Naval Officer I quoted meant. And he was correct. It is just pathetic to argue that Naval war ships are the same as a US flagged merchant (or Civilian). That is just a weak assed silly de-rail. Are some of you so dim, that everything has to written out in lenghty detail. Of course not. Tazzy is plenty smart, so she is obviously doing it on purpose. RML, I am not so sure.

Don't look now but that Frisbee is sailing over your head again.

I honestly have never seen anyone so consistently reach erroneous conclusions.

I'm not sure if you do it purposely to be evasive or whether you are just incapable of following an argument from point A to point B.

The reason I posted those links was to show you that the Bush administration recognized that pirates taking over an American ship was an eventuality. It was going to happen sooner or later.

To imply that the pirates only dared to do that because Obama was in charge is ridiculous on so many levels I wouldn't even know where to begin.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 7:37:26 AM

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But assuming they did it because Obama was in charge and they thought they could get away with it, their collective and total deadness would sorta make them look as though their thought processes were materially incorrect, n'est ce pas?

Here's a case where it hurts to be wrong, I guess.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 11:14:03 AM

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I find the shift to a direct confrontation policy to be timed about right. Had Bush instituted the same policy the hue and cry of unsanctioned by the UN action would have been deafening. The Give diplomacy a chance crowd would have been calling for his head on a plate.

Policy has slowly and I feel appropriately escalated.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 11:18:19 AM

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I find the shift to a direct confrontation policy to be timed about right. Had Bush instituted the same policy the hue and cry of unsanctioned by the UN action would have been deafening. The Give diplomacy a chance crowd would have been calling for his head on a plate.

Bullshit!

This conservative victim mentality really is getting old.

Had Bush instituted the same policy he would have been given the same support, just as he was after 9/11 with the invasion of Afghanistan.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 11:48:18 AM

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BULLSHIT yourself how many times did Bush catch the Unilateral Action slam (warranted or not doesn't matter in this case)

In Somalia Bush opted to go with a diplomatic approach for a change and here he is catching hell for doing that. LOL

Call it victim all you want I consider it to be a nod to reality.

"Would have" is all we each have and no way to prove either to a point of certainty.

I contend he would have been called a cowboy again you contend he would have had bipartisan support.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 1:51:53 PM

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Archer, If Bush had 16 year olds shot in the head (muslim 16 year olds no less)with no trial, the left would have shit buckets.

The left (not Democrats the left) for the most part supports the Pirates.

There have been several threads on here.

In the same way that They insisted Terror was a criminal matter to be handled by Law enforcement (while A Republican was president), now they like America to kill suspects with no trial along with children and innocent bystanders, in countries we are not at war with.

Its the same thing. along with the direct lies.

Tazzy(RML and some others) is going for pages over a small quibble.

But are not pointing out that I am correct when 059 tells direct lies like,

"What was bush policy on pirates?.........

Oh right.....pay them off and hope for the best."

Direct lie.

My quote (sorry I used common dreams) prooves that Bush never was confronted with a siezed Ship. He never Paid off Pirates. And he took a proactive approach towards the issue. Left wingers are tellign lies for political gain. and others (whom I thought were better) are running cover and quibbling. Instead of being interested in the truth.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 2:30:31 PM

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I will address his lies (per your words) when you admit to your own.

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

And as to the silly slam at Bush Policy. There were
absolutly ZERO attacks by African Pirates, under Bush. Zero under Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, all the way back to 1804.

Untill Obama, they didn't dare.

as happens so often, o59 is simply making shit up.

Under the Bush administration ships were attacked while flying the US flag.

Now, you want to change the claim to.. no seized ships... ahem... covering your ass at this late date wont work. You posted what you did, and i proved it a lie. You want others taken to task for doing the same... then own up to your own mistake.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 2:46:33 PM

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And as to the silly slam at Bush Policy. There were
absolutly ZERO attacks by African Pirates, under Bush. Zero under Clinton, Bush 41, Reagan, Carter, all the way back to 1804.

Untill Obama, they didn't dare.

as happens so often, o59 is simply making shit up.

“Every indication is that this is the first time a U.S.-flagged ship has been successfully seized by pirates,” said Lt. Nathan Christensen, a spokesperson for for the U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based 5th Fleet. The last documented pirate attack of a US vessel by African pirates was reported in 1804, off Libya, according to The Los Angeles Times.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/04/08-5"

Are we supposed to think your cutting off of my cite is not intentional.

You are correct, I could have worded my point better. My Point was and unchangedly is, that Bush was never confronted with pirates holding an American Ship. I have a quote from the Navy (given the first time I made the assertion which has never changed). I admitted that Common dreams is a poor written site.

However this is all very obvious, as it has required you to either Fake bold my quote to give emphasis to one part (not the totallity) or cut parts out of a post with no indication you have done so.

tazz it should be a clue to you that you are required to fake quotes in order to back up your point...

And you are doing it to cover o59's lies about America, and our policies.

But yes I could have written more clearly in my second post to the thread.

Have we got the lame ass grammar thing (based on fake quoteing) covered?

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