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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 2:58:36 PM

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LOL

Yeah, my cutting it off on this post but no others was intentional.

The artcile cited stated there have been no other seized vessels.

YOUR assertion was there had been no attacks on US vessels until Obama.

It wasnt the article that lied... but you.

And, as i have pointed out already....

quote:

“Every indication is that this is the first time a U.S.-flagged ship has been successfully seized by pirates,” said Lt. Nathan Christensen, a spokesperson for for the U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based 5th Fleet. The last documented pirate attack of a US vessel by African pirates was reported in 1804, off Libya, according to The Los Angeles Times.

The LA Times says this article never existed. Sliding a link into a link is an easy way to bury something. Again, brought up in a previous post. If the link cant be found, then it doesnt exist.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:05:37 PM

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So you are saying that pirates siezed an american flagged vessel while Bush was President?

and that o59 is correct?

Got it.

Ain't gonna waste no more time.

The honest reader can see.

Except to point out that I said you either fake bolded or cut parts out of what I initially posted. And you respond with I only cut it once. I suppose a lot of Democrats are so slow, they will accept that.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:16:56 PM

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LOL

Any reader can see you claimed a ship flying a US flag was never attacked during any Presidancy since Obama after 1804. The link you provided to back up your claim... you know, the link that now cannot be found... stated seized.

Since you cant be bothered to read your own links, it needed to be pointed out that you were terribly wrong in your assertion.

And, since i had already proven your link did not exist, it didnt seem relevant to post it again.

But, even in you posting your link, and claiming i did it to deliberately change what you said, i do thank you for proving my point.

The point being... you were wrong and now cannot admit it.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:24:29 PM

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"My quote (sorry I used common dreams) prooves that Bush never was confronted with a siezed Ship. He never Paid off Pirates. And he took a proactive approach towards the issue. Left wingers are tellign lies for political gain. and others (whom I thought were better) are running cover and quibbling. Instead of being interested in the truth. " post 58

"You are correct, I could have worded my point better. My Point was and unchangedly is, that Bush was never confronted with pirates holding an American Ship. I have a quote from the Navy (given the first time I made the assertion which has never changed). I admitted that Common dreams is a poor written site.

However this is all very obvious, as it has required you to either Fake bold my quote to give emphasis to one part (not the totallity) or cut parts out of a post with no indication you have done so.

tazz it should be a clue to you that you are required to fake quotes in order to back up your point...

And you are doing it to cover o59's lies about America, and our policies.

But yes I could have written more clearly in my second post to the thread.

Have we got the lame ass grammar thing (based on fake quoteing) covered? " post 60

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:28:48 PM

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LOL

still cant admit you were wrong. adorable!

No one faked your post. Anytime i post someone elses words, i post exactly the part i am addressing. Which i have done repeatedly throughout this thread.

Now, lets see if you can do this....

Admit you were wrong and that, in fact, during the Bush administration, ships flying US flags were attacked.

I have no problem admitting none have been seized since 1804, which was not your original claim, btw,

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:29:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: rulemylife

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

quote:

ORIGINAL: luckydawg

Untill Obama, they didn't dare.

Bush did have an agressive proactive policy towards Piracy.

But no where in there is a Pirate attack on a US flagged merchant Vessel. That is of course what the Naval Officer I quoted meant. And he was correct. It is just pathetic to argue that Naval war ships are the same as a US flagged merchant (or Civilian). That is just a weak assed silly de-rail. Are some of you so dim, that everything has to written out in lenghty detail. Of course not. Tazzy is plenty smart, so she is obviously doing it on purpose. RML, I am not so sure.

Don't look now but that Frisbee is sailing over your head again.

I honestly have never seen anyone so consistently reach erroneous conclusions.

I'm not sure if you do it purposely to be evasive or whether you are just incapable of following an argument from point A to point B.

The reason I posted those links was to show you that the Bush administration recognized that pirates taking over an American ship was an eventuality. It was going to happen sooner or later.

To imply that the pirates only dared to do that because Obama was in charge is ridiculous on so many levels I wouldn't even know where to begin.

As much an unmitigated disaster as I believe Obama to be for this country, and being a mariner, I have to say in this case, I believe the taking of the MAERSK ALABAMA had nothing to do with Obama being President. I do not believe the pirates even realized she was an American ship. Yes, she flys the stars and stripes from her stern but so do many ships now transiting the Gulf Of Aden - a "disguise" - illegal though it may be....- specifically to ward off pirate attacks. Maersk Line is a Danish shipping company which happens to have a US-based subsidiary. Maersk ships are all painted a very distinct light blue hull color with the Maersk Line name clearly spelled out midship on each side of the vessel in very, very large letters....on the order of 3M tall. Maersk ships fly many flags depending on which subsidiary owns/manages the vessel. , and if you read the book by her Captain on the hijacking, "A CAPTAIN'S DUTY", when they got aboard they figured they had stumbled on the "big time". a US ship. It is likely they either did not believe the flag on the stern, or they were stupid enough to believe they could pull it off anyway. US Naval vessels had used armed intervention before, so they knew they were at risk anyway.....I'd suggest reading the book.

My own feeling is pirates attempting to hijack a ship should be killed....period. Many shipping companies are now employing armed crews, or armed security company crews, despite the UN's moronic position against it. If someone is trying to board your ship at sea, they are not there to sell newspapers and groceries. Kill them before they get close enough. No trial.....no "due process". The only "process" they are worthy of is a bullet in the head or a shell to disintegrate their boat and them with it.

Interestingly, a new cottage industry has sprung up in the maritime world, creating "ant-piracy" systems. They run the range from high-volume sound generators to electrification systems, to draglines to mess up the propellers of the boats used to overtake the ship....all manner of goodies. Some are non-lethal. Those seem a waste to me....thinning the herd is the best approach.

...and please...do not give me that "poor fishermen" garbage. How much of the millions of $ they have gotten from this have gone to the countryside to the "people"?..... and even if it had....once you legitimize criminals as some sort of "Robin Hood".....you're dreaming.

Ships are nothing to fool around with. You think the BP spill was bad? .......wait until one of these iditots grabs a VLCC or a Type 1 chemical tanker or an LPG or ammonia carrier and damages it. Want to see dead sea life? .....wait until THAT happens.

The only good pirate is a dead pirate. It was true throughout history and is true now.

MC

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:30:21 PM

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quote:

Since you cant be bothered to read your own links, it needed to be pointed out that you were terribly wrong in your assertion.

And, since i had already proven your link did not exist, it didnt seem relevant to post it again.

Link works just fine

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/04/08-5

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:32:58 PM

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Thats not the link, and you know it. Im referring to the link that common dreams claims the quote you took from common dreams came from. You know, the LA Times link.

Here, let me help you read your own link...

The Somali pirates who took control of the 17,000-ton “Maersk Alabama” cargo-ship in the early hours of Wednesday morning probably were unaware that the ship they were boarding belonged to a US Department of Defense contractor with “top security clearance,” which does a half-billion dollars in annual business with the Pentagon, primarily the Navy. What’s more, the ship was being operated by an “all-American” crew—there were 20 US nationals on the ship. “Every indication is that this is the first time a U.S.-flagged ship has been successfully seized by pirates,” said Lt. Nathan Christensen, a spokesperson for for the U.S. Navy’s Bahrain-based 5th Fleet. The last documented pirate attack of a US vessel by African pirates was reported in 1804, off Libya, according to The Los Angeles Times.

I italicized the part you quoted above. Now, click on the Los Angeles Times link and tell me what you get.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:46:07 PM

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and the honest reader can see you are quibbling, unable to deal with the point.

Attempted attacks......

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 3:52:55 PM

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careful Taz hes gonna invoke something next.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 4:00:19 PM

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rofl

Lucy, im not scared. Im enjoying watching him squirm because he knows im right and he is the one quibbling.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 4:08:15 PM

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careful hon, that sadistic streak is contagious, not that Im discouraging you or anything:)
Im enjoying it too,

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 4:16:10 PM

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Its strange that it took this long for someone like lucky to realize just how wrong his post was. And yet he still wont admit what it was he was wrong about.

But, regardless, my work is done here.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 4:18:09 PM

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God, Girls are cute when they try to do "thinking".

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 4:19:01 PM

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LOL.. guys are even cuter when they dont think. And right now, lucky, you are down right handsome!

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 4:46:41 PM

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No Im not!! you are!!! Such a cute little brat....

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 4:57:16 PM

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LOL

flattery may get you somewhere... im just not allowed to say where!

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 4:58:19 PM

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That you think I am flattering you is funny.

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 5:00:21 PM

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That you believe im flattered is even funnier!

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RE: U.S. Marine commandos take pirate-held cargo ship - 9/13/2010 5:35:51 PM

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Still with CHildish mimicing.

I guess it is all you have to work with.

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