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Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 1:14:30 AM   
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_poverty_in_america

Damn, not seen since the 1960's.
Discuss.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 2:45:03 AM   
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Clearly it's Bill Clinton's fault!

Or no wait Jimmy Carter's fault!

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 4:55:34 AM   
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I blame the Fed.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 5:14:12 AM   
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I blame Obamanomics..

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 5:16:42 AM   
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I blame Howie Carr.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 5:33:31 AM   
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I blame corporations buying off the senate and congress. Doesn't matter if they're republican or democrat. Everyone has their price. Sadly I don't see this practice ending any time soon.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 5:39:51 AM   
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I blame the people taking the easy way every single time they get the choice.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 5:50:35 AM   
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In 1992 Paul Tsongas spoke of the need for tough choices in tough times. no one wanted to hear it then. No one wants to hear it know.

If you ignore the Regan/ Bush slamming, much of this still applies.


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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 6:05:06 AM   
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I blame the Fed.


The "Fed" cold be any of various entities. Please identify with more specificity the "Fed" that you intend.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 7:18:14 AM   
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quote:

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I blame corporations buying off the senate and congress. Doesn't matter if they're republican or democrat. Everyone has their price. Sadly I don't see this practice ending any time soon.


You choose blaming the people offering to buy versus those choosing to be bought? Interesting.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 7:25:45 AM   
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I blame Howie Carr.


Any grown man that has the name Howard and chooses to be known as Howie is a troubled soul.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 7:38:04 AM   
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Anyone that is surprised by these figures really hasnt been listening to whats been happening to REAL people since the start of the recession. While some want to blame, how about  finding a way to change it...that would be the best thing for these poverty stricken people not people dick waving and chest thumping about it.

what are you gonna do to make a difference, keep believing that tax cuts for the rich will help??
Someone said in 2008 that americans were a nation of whiners and that the recession was "just" a mental recession
45 million people (and more) have a damn fine reason to disagree even if you dont.





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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 7:54:59 AM   
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Bad recession:people get poorer.

In other news, constipated bears.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 7:58:45 AM   
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Think of the bunnies 

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 8:39:07 AM   
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The article is fake- it is a puff piece.


If this were true- prices would come down on stuff.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 8:46:11 AM   
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what fantasy world are you living in?

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 8:47:03 AM   
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Nobody can change it. Ask any poor person, when the money is not there it is not there. Understand where I am coming from, including my habits and some measure of philanthropy I have been living beyond my means for some time. Now I have to scale back because the credit with which to do so is gone. Part of it is my fault of course, I made good money and could've lived my entire life without credit. But certain things wouldn't have happened.

I went through money like a drunken sailor, I helped my friends, and a good piece of it I never got back, or got back in dribs and drabs which made it useless. Let me rephrase my earlier statement, it is mostly my fault. I chose this path a long time ago and the only thing that tripped me up was the credit crunch, I wanted to grab maybe ten or thirty grand more.

However what i/we did was to buy some tangible assets, tools and machinery. I have at least one guy who would like to rent time on my machines, I consider that a hard asset. This credit is all unsecured, and my upcoming bankruptcy is for the sole purpose of holding onto the property. A plethora of offers came over the years to get an equity loan and reduce the interest rate, but that would have been foolish. What is more I consider it justified because they started rolling back my credit and raising interest amidst a 0% prime rate and a bailout. So fukum. And that is exactly what is going to happen.

Now the country on the other hand has not been very smart. The US has been living on credit since the last depression, but instead of using this credit for tangible assets of late they have been giving them away, leaving nothing. Now understand that the national debt is actually secured by the land and structures thereon in the US, however it cannot be forclosed upon, nor can we be put off the land, which effectively makes it unsecured.

So in essence a good piece of this drunken sailor's credit was spent on the means to create true wealth, while big business and government mostly destroyed the assets which can do the same. Destroyed or sold.

What will happen next is a period of hyperinflation, like pre WW2 Germany where you needed a wheelbarrell full of money to buy a loaf of bread. This is not the first time either, IIRC it was Poland that simply lopped a zero off the end of the currency. Perhaps the large numbers wouldn't fit on the bills. I guess it would be pretty gosh(sp) to use exponents on a nation's currency.

Now you may think that we could be an isolationist nation and all will be well, but that is not possible, nor is it possible for me. Just like I can't manufacture certain things, there are more and more things which need to be imported because their means of production has been destroyed or sold. That means even domestic goods must rise in price because those who produce them are going to have to buy some of their materials from overseas. It wouldn't be so bad if we were still a self sufficient nation. Just like I am going to have to come up with money for electricity, gas, water, tool bits and raw materials, the nation is going to have to buy from others. The exchnge rate imbalance will then come into play, and the situation will get worse.

This will all happen when, not if, we default on the national debt. In other words, it's only just begun, and I urge people to get ready for it. It is beginning now because our currency is dropping so fast that our Tbills and other instruments of credit are not as desirable, right now. Some places in the world already will not accept the USD because they fear that the rate will change before they deposit the day's take in their bank account. But remember this is only the beginning.

Soon, the interest payments alone will be more toxic than defaulting, which is what happened to me. The difference is that on a personal level I have acquired real assets, and did it before the dollar dropped into the abyss. You may consider my actions not the smartest in the world, but I am Einstein when compared to the brainiacs who destroyed most of our means of production. I have defaulted and maneuvered myself into a prime position for the coveted chapter seven. Right now without the debt service I can work less and have more money in my pocket.

There are many like me and many can sort of follow suit. Get rid of your money, buy tangible assets, tools, nonperishables and so forth. Rich land with low taxes, non-genetically modified/cloned seeds for plants, to eat, not flowers ! Hold on to your bling for now, and anything else of precious or semiprecious metal. The time to sell or trade it to your maximum advantage will come, I would estimate in 2 - 4 years.

The most tangible of all assets are going to be weapons and personal security items. As this inevitable process goes on, many of the unprepared are going to do things they would never normally do. The streets are going to get meaner, and don't think just because you live in a good area it will not come to you. It will get bad in the inner cities of course, but when you have more land there is less likelyhood that someone will hear you scream. There will also be the perception, true or not, that you have more to steal.

Sorry I can't paint a rosy picture of the future, but I am a realist. Toward the end, the only people with money will be lawyers and politicians. For the rest of us there will be less effective law enforcement and crime rates the likes of which have never been seen. Dr. William Pierce asserted that some will resort to cannibalism, and I can find no cogent argument against that statement.

You see, in pre WW2 Germany they still had the means to create wealth, we do not. As long as you understand what wealth really is, that it is not money, you can understand this.

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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 10:06:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

what fantasy world are you living in?


Excuse me?

The larger society does not recognize that there are those who live on a very low income.

Why do the cable companies think they can sell us an everything package for $103?

How about a cell plan, where the cheapest plan is still too expensive?

How about new cars that cost more then my house did?

Where is corporate America on this one?

Maybe I am doing something wrong on stretching my income.

Utilities-  have very little grasp that people are poor.   Taxes too.  Insurance?  even worse.

If we truly have poverty then we would have low prices to lure in the tight dollars into corporate America.   We would have good customer service.  Even the $ of the little people would be of interest.


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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 10:12:22 AM   
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You dont have to tell me about high prices that people cannot afford. I asked you what world you were living in with regards to prices lowering. Corporations dont give a shit about who CANT afford their prices, including their own employees
we are on the same side for  this Hunky, but it will never happen.
most middle class and upper income earners dont give a shit about the backs of people they have stepped on on their way up.
Until it happens to them, but by then its too late.


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RE: Record U.S. Poverty Rates. - 9/12/2010 10:20:18 AM   
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quote:

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You dont have to tell me about high prices that people cannot afford. I asked you what world you were living in with regards to prices lowering. Corporations dont give a shit about who CANT afford their prices, including their own employees
we are on the same side for  this Hunky, but it will never happen.
most middle class and upper income earners dont give a shit about the backs of people they have stepped on on their way up.
Until it happens to them, but by then its too late.




You are correct- most will notice when it is too late.

I live on a low amount of money.   I do pretty well-- with the resources I have.

I can not be careless or sloppy with my spending.

One cell phone company DOES get it.   A plan for $10 a month.   Not $10 plus 911 fee, and + tax.   $10.

Aldis gets it.

A few places do get it.  

The simple grocer store could have loss leaders.... 

Maybe it is just a small per centange that must stretch the money.

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