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As I said in another thread, there are many Muslims who are not in favor of the Park51 project. The article I link below explains quite eloquently the other side of the arguement from a Muslim POV.
My question is; What makes this Muslims POV any less valid than Imam Rauf's or other Muslims, on that side of the arguement's, POV ?
This first thought I had after reading his statements and your points was, is he actually representing a Muslim POV at all? His back ground is a Navy Commander. His points never mention Muslim doctrin, religion, or anything really to do with being Muslim or I failed to really see anything in them that made him even appear Muslim.
What I saw from him was an American perspective about the issue with a passing mention that he is Muslim as a way to say here is a Staunch Muslim who does not support this.
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What makes his POV less valid than your own POV ?
Is this Muslim, and others like him, an Islamaphobe, a racists, a bigot ?
Because just as their is a divide here on the rightness or wrongness of the Park51 project, there is a divide among Muslims themselves.
"We Muslims should first separate mosque and state before lecturing Americans about church and state." He continues, "American freedom of religion is a right, but … it is not right to make one's religion a global political statement with a towering Islamic edifice that casts a shadow over the memorials of Ground Zero. … Islamists in 'moderate' disguise are still Islamists. In their own more subtle ways, the WTC mosque organizers end up serving the same aims (as) separatist and supremacist wings of political Islam."
He comes across as White Bread American. Or as an old term with racist overtones would be, he is an Uncle Tom. On the one hand, he makes points about Rights, The Constitution, and Freedom of Religion. Then follows it with statements which say pretty clearly a very biased blanket stamement about Islamists. Linking anyone who is part of Islam as Fanatics. "Islamists in 'moderate' disguise are still Islamists." Or thats how I read this. They are trying to hide the fact that they are still extremists.
He also never once supports his own faith and religion. Everything he says is from an Americanized veiwpoint. Being American, that is understandable, being a Navy Commander perhaps even more so. But where does he defend his religions rights? Instead his only concern is to protect Ground Zero from "a towering Islamic edifice that casts a shadow over the memorials of Ground Zero." Now where did that talking point come from?
Now realistically, this entire issue has nothing to do with more than selling advertising, hyping a political candidate, or pushing someone agenda along. If it was not being Demonized and made in every story run as a way for Islam and the Muslims of the world to have a place to show their contempt for America, then maybe we would not even be having any discussions about this. It really is not about what the building is or who owns it.
The one real issue is what will the buildings true use be. A Monument to the Heroes of Terrorists Everywhere? A simple building that is huge and used for the worship of God? A Bridge between Muslims, and other faiths? Until it is built and actually used, and even then it might be years before it can be determined what its real use was designed to be, or even if it became twisted into something else. Maybe it really was just "a towering Islamic edifice that casts a shadow over the memorials of Ground Zero." With the one goal of rubbing Islam into the face of every scumsucking American Capitolist Pig. But maybe in time it really could become something else?
We will probably never know because the focus has become political. The news media will sell stories with whatever seems to drive up emotions and gets them the most advertisers. Politicians see this as a direct line to money from a fund raiser. It long ago left the world of being a building for a religion and became a symbol of what ever someone needed to make their own point.
Oh and my POV is worth what all POVs are worth. Whatever someone else thinks it is worth. Value is meaningless until someone buys the item. MY POV might be actioned with a starting bid of 5 Gazillion Billion. It might sell for a Dime. It might not sell at all. Unless it gets bought it has no value no matter what price I put on it.
Just some thoughts.
MV
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