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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 6:49:56 AM   
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You honestly are a man who terrifies me, simply because of your strong hate and proposition that domestic violence against women is only for marriage and or for custody


ROFL get a hold of your self. Where did I say that DV against women is only for marriage and for custody?

It's not surprising that you accuse me of being a misogynist. Any man is who pretty much claims men as victims too for anything or calls out bigoted behaviour from feminists/women will automatically get fired with shaming tactics in the attempt to shame and intimidate and shut the man up. Ironically, women like you are the haters as you think women are entitled to have freedom of speech about how they feel their gender is victimised and how they feel validated to criticise men. Yet you believe men are not entitled to have freedom of speech going in the other direction. To believe your gender should be privileged with such double standards makes you sexist. Think about that one.

As what the title of your post says "Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women." But when it's a man promoting domestic violence AGAINST men, its misogyny in your point of view.

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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 6:55:02 AM   
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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:00:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance
Heres the thing. Men are stronger, I hate to play the gender card but unless I have a weapon, Im not going to do to much damage to a male. A kick in the nuts hurts like hell. A Kick from my ex ended up in cracked ribs.

The problem is, women being in general the weaker sex tend to end up with more violent acts because of the strenght and size disparity.

A woman who smacks a man across the cheek a hand print. A man who smacks a woman against the cheek, a fractured jaw.


Not to devalue physical abuse but it's the emotional abuse that takes years and years to deal with...
When a stranger punches you in the face you forget about it in 2 days to a week.

I found the Ali G video on the right side of the screen to be a lot more entertaining.
He's really good at making fun of himself and others while appearing to be a complete idiot. It's hilarious.

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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:09:48 AM   
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Status: offline 		The links you posted spout bullshit about 99.9% of DV claims with help from the VAWA are for custody or divorce standings.

I did not say that violence against men or you speaking for violence against men was misogyny. PLEASE do not EVER place your disgusting words anywhere NEAR my mouth.

READ my posts, READ the facts of the situation.

You can speak about violence from women against men as much as you wish. You will fall on deaf ears not because people dont care or because people see it as misogyny. Its because your posts are full of hate discrimination and how everything ever in the entire world ever can be blamed on a woman of some kind.

Again I understand the seriousness of domestic violence. I myself have been a victim of domestic violence, the three counties I have lived in have had unusually high amounts of domestic violence statically.

I am not speaking about abuse against any person. I am speaking about you, about your inability to see past your hate.

If you have been a victim of DV and that is your issue I persuade you to go to google search out your local crime victims center and file a complaint.

HOWEVER.

I will tell you this once and only once. When men suffer the damages that most women do, people will look to it more equally.

Women will 90% of the time be thought of in DV cases because there is on average more damage caused to a female who is a victim of dv. There are broken bones, their are lacerated organs their are damages that kill and prove fatal.

again this is not a promotion of violence against men but men tend to leave a dv case with a few bruises unless a woman uses a weapon.

in the case of violence against women. myself alone suffered mutiple cracks and fractures to the ribs,  two severely sprained ankles, tendon damage to each knee, 6 dislocated right shoulder injuries 2 dislocated left shoulder injuries. the need for over 50 stitches on 10 different occasions......None of these injuries were fixed with any type of pain relief or medication each set of stitches was done with out any type of local. This does not include the countless number of bruises cuts scrapes welts and other acts my partner preformed on me.

This is from ONE man against ONE woman in a relationship lasting for 2 years.

DV is something very close to my heart, and i donate and offer as much money as i can a year to my local shelters. I have in my life heard of only 3 cases of injuries where men were severely damaged, however there are over 3 million cases of women being severely injured in dv cases there are over 300 murders within google searches of women murdered.

When men suffer this type of abuse at this extent, they will have just as many pages.

But ID SELL MY FUCKING SOUL, to only have been slapped lightly across the face by my partner.


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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:11:04 AM   
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Now if I were you I would get involved on a local or even national effort to provide the same services for guys.
Otherwise you are just as bad as any other misogynist all bluster and no balls


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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:15:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Twoshoes, do you think a woman stays to endure the physical with out the mental and emotional abuse as well? 

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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:31:37 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance
Heres the thing. Men are stronger, I hate to play the gender card but unless I have a weapon, Im not going to do to much damage to a male. A kick in the nuts hurts like hell. A Kick from my ex ended up in cracked ribs.

The problem is, women being in general the weaker sex tend to end up with more violent acts because of the strenght and size disparity.

A woman who smacks a man across the cheek a hand print. A man who smacks a woman against the cheek, a fractured jaw.


Supposedly my friend's ex boyfriend's ex threw plates at his head whenever they got in a fight.

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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:35:09 AM   
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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:36:25 AM   
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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:37:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Why are we analyzing and dissecting a cartoon from youtube?  Have we reached some invisible limit of stupidity here, some barrier in reality we cannot cross?

Just curious.  I could give a fuck.




Because it`s creators were to ashamed to use their own images and couldn`t talk anyone,not even the most rabid chauvinist,into embarrassing themselves.

I enjoyed the genie joke tho I can`t recall why.



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RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. - 9/15/2010 7:42:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: SpiritedRadiance

Twoshoes, do you think a woman stays to endure the physical with out the mental and emotional abuse as well? 


There is no physical abuse without emotional abuse in cases of domestic violence.

I know from experience that getting beat up by someone I care about hurts a lot more than getting beat up by a stranger.

The emotional abuse is much worse. The only problem is there are no laws against it, since it's impossible to prove in court.

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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/15/2010 10:16:16 AM   
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A lot of the clients get there either straight from the hospital or the police station.  Most of them with just the clothes on their backs.  Darn near all of them have PTSD and spend the first week or so jumping at any noise that they don't expect.  They settle down a bit once they realize there is an actual routine that doesn't get shattered just because an angry person comes through the door.  From intake to out, they got sixty days to cut off their ties to their old life and try to make a new one.  That's legal, housing, financial, health, and everything else that a person needs to have a life. 


I should imagine that a woman suffering PTSD as a result of domestic violence would react to the sight or sound of an angry man in much the same way that a shell-shocked soldier would react to any kind of explosion. 

Hell's bells . . . Fundamentally to transform one's life, while all the time suffering PTSD, in just sixty days.  How hideous.


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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/15/2010 10:22:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Then they are to carry on with 'the mission' (life) until such time treatment is available.

I've been to the 'stan 4 times, and no, fire crackers don't freak me out. PTSD is over played, they shouldhave a equivalent for combat stress reaction, for abuse in the civi world.

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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/15/2010 10:51:43 AM   
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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

Re women's refuges:

I should imagine that a woman suffering PTSD as a result of domestic violence would react to the sight or sound of an angry man in much the same way that a shell-shocked soldier would react to any kind of explosion. 

Hell's bells . . . Fundamentally to transform one's life, while all the time suffering PTSD, in just sixty days.  How hideous.


Sixty days was the maximum.  That could only be obtained after a re-evaluation and specific request for extension.  Normally, a client could only get six weeks.  There were always problems with not enough beds/spaces for the women to go.  It wasn't like they could whip out a credit card or checkbook to pay for a motel.  Most women in abusive relationships don't have any control of the money.  Often, the women who had jobs couldn't go back to them because their abusers would track them down there.  We had one who managed to get past two security stations at the woman's workplace.  They fired her.  (The only positive to that one was the security cameras caught him violating the restraining order on tape.)

The case that tazzy mentioned earlier was made into a movie.  It was one of the video tapes that they incorporated into group counseling sessions and to demonstrate the changes in the laws.  All kids in the facility were to be in the play areas during those times because the clients would have such strong reactions to it.

I sat here for a long time last night after I contributed to this thread.  A lot of the experiences and stories are still with Me.  One gal who had been picked up by her abuser, thrown across the room, landed on a coffee table that broke her back.  Another that would be jumpy the entire day if someone paid her a compliment, because her husband of twenty years would beat the crap out of her to remind her how ugly she was if she had been paid a compliment in his presence.  Women who would literally shake so bad at the courthouse while obtaining their TRO because they were scared to death that they would be spotted by their abuser during the process.

I guess I'm probably the wrong person to have the debate about how all of that money is wasted through domestic violence shelters.


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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/15/2010 10:55:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have a friend who ~automatically~ reacts if you come up behind her and grab her shoulder. Because her ex would grab her for the toss that way.

I survived an emotionally abusive relationship, I can say that anything to help a woman in a domestic violence situation is worthwhile.

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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/15/2010 11:32:32 AM   
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ORIGINAL: COINT

Then they are to carry on with 'the mission' (life) until such time treatment is available.

I've been to the 'stan 4 times, and no, fire crackers don't freak me out. PTSD is over played, they shouldhave a equivalent for combat stress reaction, for abuse in the civi world.


PTSD was seriously underplayed in my father's case when he was discovered still to be suffering from it ten years after the Harrods IRA bomb incident, during which he was injured and his colleague and good friend in the police was killed. 

As I understand it, the rates of depression, and suicide, amongst ex-military people is huge.  PTSD of one sort or another is bound to be involved in that, I'd have thought.  Yes, I certainly agree that there should be a great deal more done for them.

On something of a side note, and not particularly addressed to you, CO1NT . . . I don't think I'd even bother to engage again in a debate about 'which group in society deserves more concern'.  It's a bogus argument.  It isn't, or rather shouldn't be, how our thinking should even begin to work.  Firstly, we're perfectly wealthy enough as nations to be able to afford the appropriate care for ex soldiers, as well as both genders who have been battered by their partners.  Secondly, people tend to speak about compassion, concern and care as though the more those 'quantities' are given to X means the less must be given to Y.  This is crap.  Thirdly, I always, always, look around for any group in society that stands to benefit from conflict between two other groups.  In general, whenever I see hostility between two groups who are the bottom of the social pile, I don't have to look hard to find people at the top of the pile who have good reason to be grateful for that hostility.








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RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist - 9/15/2010 11:34:06 AM   
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One gal who had been picked up by her abuser, thrown across the room, landed on a coffee table that broke her back. 


I think I might know of that particular case, LP.

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RE: How To Never Ever Get Laid Again - 9/15/2010 11:57:34 AM   
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And now with permission of the author I reprint in its entirety the contents of post #22

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original : naughtynick81

I wonder why feminist groups totally ignore domestic violence against men or even lie about it and say it hardly happens compared to violence against women? Why do shelters for domestic violence victims operated by feminists deny male victims?



Are you serious, women are victims of spousal/domestic violence by about a 1.5 - 1 ratio.  The numbers from the ABA website : Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually in the United States.  What is worth noting though is in our basic form 90% of all male homo sapiens are larger and stronger then 90% of all female homo sapiens.   So wrap your feeble mind around those numbers first.


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original: naughtynick81

It seems that only one member of the human race exists for feminists while they totally ignore the other 50 percent and pretend they don't exists.



The female of our species outnumbers the males by approximately 52% to 48% and the spread is growing wider (albeit in very tiny increments) each passing year.  Face it dude were it not for procreation and recreational sex and MAYBE a few "handyman chores" we'd be pretty useless to the females.   

Yours is the kind of misogynistic thinking that makes it so difficult for the rest of your fellow men (me included).



Equally,
Some Knucklehead in NJ




Now to the OP,  dude when  you grow up and attain the age of 52 get back to me, I  have seen in my life far more examples of male on female domestic abuse than the other way.  Additionally you are an Auatralian which comes with its own cultural biases.   I could go on but it is not worth my time to sit at my keyboard and point out every fallacious statement from either side of the domestic abuse issue. 

I will though leave the OP with this little fact:  I stand 5' 11" and weigh 210 lbs, my wife stands 5' 9" and has about 100 lbs in weight, and 11 1/2 years in age on me, who you think is gonna win a knockdown drag out between us??  I know for a fact it will be me, unless she has been taking self defense classes I don't know about.


Non-misogynistically,
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RE: How To Never Ever Get Laid Again - 9/15/2010 12:07:40 PM   
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"How to never get laid"

"Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST Women"

What else are we gonna see? The title change has been the most interesting part of this read.

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RE: How To Never Ever Get Laid Again - 9/15/2010 12:09:54 PM   
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