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LadyPact -> RE: How To Lie Like A Coward (9/15/2010 9:01:58 PM)

"Domestic violence...can be broadly defined as a pattern of abusive behaviors by one or both partners in an intimate relationship."

Note: if your girlfriends slaps you once, that isn't an example of domestic violence. If she hits you frequently, in concert with abusive patterns or behaviors, that might be domestic violence. Don't argue semantics about this one, or I'll argue that if a stranger comes into your home (a domestic setting) and hits you, that also counts as "domestic violence."

It's been a number of years that I've been involved in this, but I'm going to give this a crack.  In My experience, the above isn't necessarily true.

There are various factors that determine whether an incident is classified as domestic violence or not.  The first of these is living situation.  If you live with your partner, (meaning you have ever maintained the same address) there does not have to be a pattern.  The very first time you are struck, it is termed domestic violence.  (This is not meant to say that there hasn't been a pattern of mental or emotional abuse prior to it turning physical.)  A number of states have mandatory arrest laws if 911 has been called regarding a particular dispute.  Even if it is a hang up call, police will be dispatched by law.  (Pay particular attention to this folks out there in BDSM land.)  If there are two people in the home and it is obvious that an altercation has happened, the person who didn't call 911 is most likely the person going to jail.  Also, unless statistics have changed, there are more calls on Fridays than any other night of the week.  In many cases, that means the person who goes to jail isn't getting out until Monday.

The next one is relationship status.  Domestic violence charges can be used in cases where there is a current or past romantic and/or sexual relationship.  These are the cases where you're more likely to have to be able to establish a pattern of behavior, such as harassment or specifically attempting to intimidate the victim.  A lot of this can fall under the same requirements as "stalker" laws, but not all stalkers actually have had relationships with their victims.  If the violence happens in your home, and you can prove a current/past relationship with the person of a romantic or a sexual nature, you've got a better shot of a domestic violence charge.  If it happens somewhere else, you may have to settle for an assault charge at first.  That can be upgraded depending on the surrounding circumstances.  Of course, if the violence against you is of a sexual nature, including date rape, those tend to carry stiffer penalties if they are in addition to a domestic violence charge.

A temporary restraining order is filed if there is a domestic violence case pending.  In some states, that is not optional.  It is a standard procedure by the court.  The defendant can ask that the TRO be extended to both parties so that neither is permitted to contact or be in the physical presence of the other prior to the trial date.  If a conviction is made in the case, a permanent restraining order can be filed so the attacker has a stronger penalty if there is a second offense.



tazzygirl -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/15/2010 10:03:10 PM)

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That aside, do you want to know the lowest of low? There has been cases over the years of women cutting off their partners penis. I have never heard of a case where a man cut off a woman’s breast through DV or mutilated her vagina. I am not saying it hasn’t happened, I just haven’t heard of it in places like America, Canada UK, Australia.


Should have read the Tracy Thurmond story... hubby stomped on her neck, in front of the cops... she heard a snap... half her body went numb... the other half she couldnt feel. Imagine... you can feel what you cant move.. and you can move what you cant feel.

Yeah, i can see how that wouldnt trump a cut off cock. See, the problem here is that you keep bringing up how much worse a man has it as a domestic violence victim. Then you get pissy when people point out the inaccuracies of your statements. No one is saying men arent abused.

My own brother was a victim of domestic violence... and i hated his bitch of a wife. He could have easily killed her with just a few punches... but he loved her far too deeply. Physically, he was her superior... emotionally, she was.

So, yeah, while i know men are being abused, and as a nurse i met quite a few, it was a rare man who would even report such.

Im not sure what you are expecting to accomplish with your post, other than what i read on your profile. Personally, i think this is just a kink of yours and you are hoping to get off by being beat up ~ textually~ by the women here.

Myself, i find you pathetic and not worth another moment of my time.



naughtynick81 -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/15/2010 11:12:08 PM)

Owner59

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prove it


As much as men may commit more crimes than women in general, the fact still remains that women also get more lenient sentences or even get let off the hook compared to men doing the same crimes. Not ALL the time.

In some cases women do get the deserved punishments but in other cases they don’t. This may ring true in reverse also in a very small number of cases. However, it’s far less common when men get off too lightly. When women do get far lighter sentences or no punishment at all, in 99 of cases, there is no comparison in a man having it off so easily doing the same crime with the same record etc etc.

Here are some broad examples

Do You Receive a Lighter Prison Sentence Because You Are a Woman? An Economic Analysis of Federal Criminal Sentencing Guidelines
http://ideas.repec.org/p/iza/izadps/dp2870.html

UK Study
http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/r10.pdf

Women Above the Law?
http://www.ifeminists.net/e107_plugins/content/content.php?content.169


Paedophilia

Female sex offenders reveal cultural double standard
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/living/2003874026_predator10.html

Former teacher gets probation for sex with student
http://www.rrstar.com/belvidere/x2133277572/Former-teacher-gets-probation-for-relationship-with-student

Teacher spared jail for dating student
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/764008/teacher-spared-jail-over-student-lover

Child Abuse, DV, Murder

Canadian Mother Who Strangled Daughter Won't Be Jailed, Judge Rules
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/07/16/muslim-mother-strangled-daughter-wont-jailed-judge-rules/

Sins of the mother
http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/news/editorialsletters/story.html?id=275509bd-926a-49c6-878b-1f15751a5c35

Woman kills boyfriend by sitting on him
http://www.news.com.au/world/woman-kills-boyfriend-by-sitting-on-him/story-e6frfkyi-1225822587685

Woman who killed boyfriend after fight gets house arrest
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09160/976118-100.stm?cmpid=latest.xml

This is being brief. I haven't got a lot of time on my hands to go further. There are a 100000 more cases out there similar to the above. That said, it is a complex matter to expose.

BreathandStone

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Note: if your girlfriends slaps you once, that isn't an example of domestic violence.


ROFL are you fucking stupid or what? Domestic violence is domestic violence, no matter if it happens once or a 100 times. The fact that it happens is still domestic violence.

As you follow a hate movement (feminism) who runs the VAWA. It’s funny how you said what I quoted when the VAWA (whom you apparently have nothing against) have such policies such as for claiming that it’s domestic violence when men call women abusive names, a man raising his voice at a woman in an argument, or a man simply causing any type of emotional stress.

But yet, you claim it’s not domestic violence if an angry woman slaps a man. wow just wow

Not to mention, it is somewhat acceptable in societies for a woman to slap a man if he says something rude of inappropriate to a woman. However if the tables are turned, it’s totally evil.

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"Women are much more likely to be murdered by an intimate partner. Among the persons killed by an intimate partner, about three quarters are female, and about a quarter are male.


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in a review of the research Michael Kimmel  found that violence is instrumental in maintaining control and that more than 90 percent of "systematic, persistent, and injurious" violence is perpetrated by men


As black and white as your self and many women like to paint this to further female victim status, murder is actually not that common in societies like America as you see in the movies or crime shows or what feminazitards say.

For example, there were 13,636 murder victims in 2009 out of the whole population of the US. 77.0 percent of victims were male. As for the women who were killed which can be for all types of reasons, that leaves little numbers when it was a DV situation.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/offenses/expanded_information/homicide.html

As for serious injuries and not murder, the US department of Justice claims that only 10% of injuries treated in hospitals and emergency departments were made by a current or former boyfriend OR girlfriend. To cut away from that 10% to add the male victims, it really doesn’t leave much.

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/VRITHED.PDF

So why so much hysteria and paranoia over men? A poor excuse to bash and demonise men?

I think people generally overly exaggerate the situation of female victim status. To say that women are getting murdered and seriously injured everywhere is ridiculously simplistic.

Look at it this way, Brisbane is one of the major and populous cities in Australia. It has a population of around 2 million and it attracts thousands of tourists all year round. It's a fantastic shopping destination. If you go to Queen Street Mall on a sunny Saturday afternoon, you can hardly walk because of the crowds.

If what the feminists and many women are saying about DV is true, the evidence should be plain to see. You should be able to stand in the middle of Queen Street Mall on a Saturday and look at the crowds. Half of those people are women, and regarding the shonky stats that indicate a huge number of women are being beaten, or some feminist stats even say 1 in 4, where are they? I would expect to see women all around me with black eyes and broken teeth and bruises. And yet I can't see any at all. How can you explain that?

Typical feminist response: Because they only hit them where it doesn't leave any marks?

So these violent men who hate women, which is apparently a large number of us or 1 in 4 of us, are not only primitive thugs who lash out unexpectedly in fits of uncontrollable rage, but they are also highly-trained ninjas? CIA-trained torturers? Well versed in human anatomy and physiology? Experts in inflicting pain without leaving any evidence?

Come on, people should know better than this.

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"the National Institute of Justice  states that the studies that find that women abuse men equally or even more than men abuse women are based on data compiled through the Conflict Tactics Scale, a survey tool developed in the 1970s and which may not be appropriate for intimate partner violence research because it does not measure control, coercion, or the motives for conflict tactics


And why isn’t this same suspicion raised against stats made by feminists or stats that have a huge disparity that indicates there are more female victims?

I don’t think most of us are to know what the real truth is. There are studies like this

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~mas2/ID41E2.pdf

And other studies that tell the complete opposite.

Unfortunately feminist propaganda in this department dominates and runs most of the show in the mainstream without an opposing voice getting equally heard

The way I see it all, I think men and women are as guilty as each other when it comes to DV. Women are just as capable as men to strike their partner.

But

A man is a misogynist if he thinks women are just as guilty as men

A man is a misogynist if he thinks there should be equal consideration/concern/acknowledgment towards male victims

A man is a misogynist if he points out discrimination/sexism against his gender

A man is a misogynist if he disagrees with any feminists/gynocentric/ political correct point of view

A man is a misogynist if he believes female victim status is exaggerated from the truth

In fact there is no such thing as freedom of speech when it comes to the other side of the story because a man is simply a misogynist if he speaks about it.

What a sad world we live in.



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/15/2010 11:31:51 PM)

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/cats/law_enforcement_courts_prisons/crimes_and_crime_rates.html

Per the Census just on DV cases in JUST america for the last several years


[Violence includes rape and sexual assault, robbery, aggravated assault, simple assault and homicide. Intimates are defined as
spouses, ex-spouses, current boy/girlfriends, and ex-boy/girlfriends. Based on the National Crime Victimization Survey; see text,
this section and Appendix III. Table data have been revised]

The First colum is total the second women the third men...

IN NO CASE WHAT SO EVER WERE MALE NUMBERS EVER HIGHER THEN THAT OF THE NUMBERS FOR FEMALES THIS IS WHY THERE ARE MORE SHELTERS DEDICATED TO WOMEN.... BOLDED ARE NUMBERS YOU REALLY SHOULD LOOK AT AND THINK ABOUT

1995 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 975,510 4.5            858,100 7.7                   117,410 1.1
2000 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 670,900 3.0            560,230 4.8                   110,670 1.0
2002 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 588,020 2.5            498,210 4.2                    89,810 0.8
2003 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 540,700 2.3            444,140 3.6                    96,560 0.8
2004 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 612,650 2.5            474,250 3.8                    138,400 1.2
2005 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 493,110 2.0            385,850 3.1                     107,260 0.9
2006  . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 779,040 3.2            617,190 4.9                     161,840 1.3
2007, total . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 646,790 2.6                564,430 4.4                       82,360 0.7
Rape or sexual assault . . . . . . . . 55,110 0.2               55,110 0.4                       
Robbery . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 43,270 0.2               37,320 0.3                          5,960 –
Aggravated assault. . . . . . . . . . . 85,010 0.3              69,010 0.5                         16,000 0.1
Simple assault . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 446,510 1.8            399,370 3.1                      47,140 0.4
Homicide . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1,531 0.5                  1,185 0.8                           346



naughtynick81 -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 12:19:19 AM)

How are we to know if this study is right or wrong and another study saying the opposite is right or wrong? How are we to know who is behind the study and what agenda they run?

This study here has as much strength compared to the study you displayed
http://www.csulb.edu/~mfiebert/assault.htm

None of us know what's really the truth. But people prefer to be political correct sheep and follow the social rule of belief instead of looking at the whole problem in all different angles.

To think rationally, I believe human beings regardless of gender are capable of having a temper or getting angry. And that can lead to striking another without thinking twice or thinking outside the box. Having these emotions is not based on gender on a general basis, it's based in human nature.







almira -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 12:26:10 AM)

i'm sorry, but i'm confused....which columns are for what in that table?

i think its pretty pointless to debate this bcuz ur not going to change ur mind and other ppl rnt gonna change theirs.

feminism, to me, has nothing to do with job opportunities or being victimized.  it comes from within and the outside world does not have enthing to do with feminism...its about choices, and the world can't effect choices bcuz choices come from inside.  its about having something to say and fucking saying it, and its also about living one's own life (b4 they consensually give control to another)...but that is their choice.

as for the domestic violence shelters, and what was it...glass ceilling?  i have no idea about those ideas bcuz well, i dont really care about statistics or articles.  i have no idea why there are less dv shelters for men, but i know they dont let men into the dv shelters bcuz i would have not been able to sleep if a man was in that shelter when i was in a dv shelter a few weeks ago.  i dont know how much dv a man has to put up with but if its as much as women they would have probably already created men dv shelters.  and also u gotta think about the funds that it would cost to open up another shelter just for men when they could go to the homeless shelter..

the glass ceilling...i dont really believe that theory either bcuz i heard about companies having a quota of minorities and women so sometimes a women would get the job even though there is a man higher qualified than her.  i expect if they didnt make that quota, the companies would have to pay a fine or penalty.

its alllllllllllllll about money, honey.



SpiritedRadiance -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 12:30:01 AM)

ITs from the census department....  published by the goverment. It is taken from reports that are filed in every department across the states and published.

The goverment published these numbers this is ONLY PROVEN domestic violence cases this does not reflect withdrawn cases or unreported cases.

Heres the deal your obviously just here to stir the pot, I am someone who DV is very close to, I will not debate with you further because you dont wish to concede you might be wrong or that we might (it makes me ill to even say it) be working towards the same thing.

There isnt a an angle to take both men and women have dv shelters both men and women have the same dv rights...

Heres the facts: My abuser, got off completely free for his crimes against me, completely. I didnt have the courage to face him and they dropped the charges. MANY cases of dv previous to the change in the laws men got off mostly completely FUCKING FREE.

This happens more often then not in dv cases its why the cops now HAVE to arrest somebody for dv cases its the police not the victim that files the case.

You just want to say women are all bad and that women are the reason your hated on so much.

I have facts on my side, you have OPINION.

I have nothing further to say to you.

seriously over 800 THOUSAND woman were abused in some way in one year alone. over a thousand women were murdered in 07 based solely on dv situations.

go to the link look for yourself.



LadyPact -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 12:50:08 AM)

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If what the feminists and many women are saying about DV is true, the evidence should be plain to see. You should be able to stand in the middle of Queen Street Mall on a Saturday and look at the crowds. Half of those people are women, and regarding the shonky stats that indicate a huge number of women are being beaten, or some feminist stats even say 1 in 4, where are they? I would expect to see women all around me with black eyes and broken teeth and bruises. And yet I can't see any at all. How can you explain that?

You're skipping something.  The stats say that it is one in four in their lifetime.  As you pointed out yourself, that can be a one time incident or can be for the length and beyond of the entire relationship.

Like it or not, the situations where this does go on for years, the abusers can be rather smart.  The face isn't an automatic target because that does tend to draw more suspicion.  It's very much the same tactic as those who abuse children (sorry folks).  If someone does have a long pattern of physically abusing another, is it really out of your scope to get the fact that they also might be able to control whether that person leaves the house or not?

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Typical feminist response: Because they only hit them where it doesn't leave any marks?

Not exactly no marks, but certainly more likely in places that they can be covered up.

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So these violent men who hate women, which is apparently a large number of us or 1 in 4 of us, are not only primitive thugs who lash out unexpectedly in fits of uncontrollable rage, but they are also highly-trained ninjas?

You've got that part wrong, too.  In fact, most abusers don't proclaim to "hate women".  They will swear up and down that they love the person that they are abusing.  They are often quite apologetic and make a ton of excuses.  None of which is usually based on the concept that they don't love the person they have hurt.  I've seen that more often than I can even relate here.  It's one of the very ways that many get the person that they have abused to stay with them.  It really is a terrible cycle that you are attempting to minimize.

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CIA-trained torturers? Well versed in human anatomy and physiology? Experts in inflicting pain without leaving any evidence?

Let's switch gears here for a minute.  I'm going to remind you that we really are on a BDSM site.  My stance on the difference between BDSM and abuse happens to be consent.  I am a sadist.  I've been beating clip for three and a half years.  (Along with a number of other people.)  I have managed to do so without putting bruises on him in places that would be viewed by the general public.  My proficiency at doing so or My topping skills I'll leave you to figure out for yourself.  I consider Myself to be of average intelligence.  There really isn't anything about hurting people that is rocket science.

For the record, yes, if clip removed his consent, he could absolutely have Me charged under Domestic Violence laws in a few states.  It sure wouldn't be hard to prove, even though I have never marked his face once.

Truthfully, this entire thread has done nothing but show your lack of compassion for abuse victims because they are of a gender that you come across as having severe issues about.  Isn't that what you say you are basing your complaint on?  That male abuse victims don't seem to you that they get equal treatment and aren't given proper consideration?  All you've done through this thread is attempt to justify your position.  In doing so, you have done nothing but attempt to minimalize the plight of abuse victims because of their gender.



naughtynick81 -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 1:41:14 AM)

SpiritedRadiance, not the government as a whole. It depends who the person is who are pulling the strings in this certain sector of the government. Just because they are in the government, that doesn't make a person innocent from being biased or having a loopy political correct/feminist agenda. The DOJ (which is also government) has refused to fund studies that solely specialised with investigating domestic violence against men. But they have been for domestic violence against women for who knows how long. This is what I would define as a political correct agenda or not surprisingly feminist. But to be fair, the studies that I provided could have some type of agenda too.

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i think its pretty pointless to debate this bcuz ur not going to change ur mind and other ppl rnt gonna change theirs.


You are most probably correct.

I just pity the people who believe that for some illogical reason, males are somehow more likely to lose their temper and strike people. To think this is mostly gender related and not just being within humanity regardless of gender is pretty narrow minded.

Political correct sheep will automatically believe any study that exists which indicates men are likely the culprits times a 100. But these same political correct sheep will instantly scoff at any other study that says different.

And to think that most or half or even a quarter of the female population are walking around injured from their last beating or have been in a beating in the past from DV is also ridiculously narrow minded.

The bottom line is that if a man doesn't view women as sympathetic victims and hold unjustified guilt towards his own gender, it means he has issues with women and he's a misogynist. And for that, he shouldn't deserve a woman. I wonder if many people truly see how pathetic this mentality is?






Vendaval -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 1:47:02 AM)

You actually think that law enforcement in the U.S. has a feminist agenda? [sm=biggrin.gif]



Vendaval -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 2:10:27 AM)

You seem to be laboring under the assumption that "we" hate and fear men and offer sweeping generalizations to support this opinion. You won't accept Dept of Justice crime stats as evidence because you think law enforcement in the U.S. has a feminist agenda and offer one researcher's resources as evidence of a vast feminist conspiracy against men. You also discount the experiences shared by anyone, female or male, with a differing viewpoint as being biased against men and say above-

"Another commenter (a girl this time) suggested I only need to read some feminist blog to see the evidence of the evil men do. Sorry, dear, but 57 years of living with and around actual men, (three of those years spent around Marines) tells a quite different story. Many different stories, in fact; when the feminist blog has only one, repeated time after time, often with facts altered to suit the running narrative."


So the rest of the people commenting in this thread don't live and know actual men? Their life experience does not count? There are other "actual men" in this thread arguing against you that are in fact, older than your 57 years. You are doing a fine job of shooting yourself in the foot over and over again.


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Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 2:11:25 AM)

Are people still going on about this? Isn't there other dead horses more interesting to beat, than a guy who has nothing better to do than argue about feminism.



Vendaval -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 2:12:54 AM)

It's late and he's an easy target. [:D]



naughtynick81 -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 3:40:05 AM)

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You actually think that law enforcement in the U.S. has a feminist agenda?


My point is that you don't know anything about the person who is pulling the strings in presenting the study.

The US Centers for Disease control are also government. Yet, they claim this.

http://ajph.aphapublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/97/5/941

Objectives. We sought to examine the prevalence of reciprocal (i.e., perpetrated by both partners) and nonreciprocal intimate partner violence and to determine whether reciprocity is related to violence frequency and injury.

Methods. We analyzed data on young US adults aged 18 to 28 years from the 2001 National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which contained information about partner violence and injury reported by 11 370 respondents on 18761 heterosexual relationships.

Results. Almost 24% of all relationships had some violence, and half (49.7%) of those were reciprocally violent. In nonreciprocally violent relationships, women were the perpetrators in more than 70% of the cases. Reciprocity was associated with more frequent violence among women (adjusted odds ratio [AOR]=2.3; 95% confidence interval [CI]=1.9, 2.8), but not men (AOR=1.26; 95% CI=0.9, 1.7). Regarding injury, men were more likely to inflict injury than were women (AOR=1.3; 95% CI=1.1, 1.5), and reciprocal intimate partner violence was associated with greater injury than was nonreciprocal intimate partner violence regardless of the gender of the perpetrator (AOR=4.4; 95% CI=3.6, 5.5).

Conclusions. The context of the violence (reciprocal vs nonreciprocal) is a strong predictor of reported injury. Prevention approaches that address the escalation of partner violence may be needed to address reciprocal violence.

Just because they are from government, are you going to believe it's accurate?



mnottertail -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 6:33:13 AM)

But you're telling me the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today, something nobody disagrees with.

Here is where shit gets murky.   Yup, women will perpetrate violence, sure, they are human deep down in there somewhere....

But some girl comes up and starts slapping me, I am simply gonna kick the living dogshit outta her, she's at risk, it isn't every one gonna cut off a penis, or burn a bed with you still in it.

so on the bell curve they are looking at what men would call sissy sort of violence
for their 80%, and I am talking about our 80% portion being knock the living dogfuck outta women.

Feminists are going to deplore violence against women, and minimize violence against men, what the fuck is wrong with that?  Where did you come up with the fair world model?  

I mean thats like having an expectation of going to an insurance salesman and saying 'Do you think I have enough insurance?' And being outraged that he replies 'No?'.  What did you come out here to see?  A reed shaken by the wind?

Me, I don't give a fuck.  Hit me, you will be hurt like you never been hurt before.  I been in jail before, my only beef with it is the horseshit coffee, I don't mind being a statistic, everybody's gotta do something. 



BreathandStone -> RE: How To Lie Like A Coward (9/16/2010 6:43:52 AM)

I stand corrected. Thank you, LadyPact.



thishereboi -> RE: Promoting Domestic Violence AGAINST women. (9/16/2010 7:02:40 AM)

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I enjoyed the genie joke tho I can`t recall why.


thanks for the laugh[:)]



BoiJen -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 8:56:36 AM)

"How to Lie like a Coward"

Shit...now I need to come up with a new sentence.

boi



BoiJen -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 9:00:43 AM)

The last line in his profile made me vomit. 



tazzygirl -> RE: How To Lie Like A Feminist (9/16/2010 9:02:35 AM)

Exactly, jen. This is a game to him. He uses feminism to coerce women into playing his game. Its all masturbatory material to him.



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