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defiantbadgirl -> vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:12:04 AM)
http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2010/09/vaccines-dont-cause-autism-they-just.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+AdventuresInAutism+%28Adventures+in+Autism%29&utm_content=My+Yahoo They're still putting mercury in flu shots. What will it take for the US government to completely outlaw thimerosal (mercury) in all vaccines?

truckinslave -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:14:01 AM)
Didn't California outlaw mercury already?

rulemylife -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:21:28 AM)
No link found between vaccine mercury and autism Mon Sep 13, 3:38 am ET NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – A new government study adds to the evidence that thimerosal, a mercury-based preservative until recently found in many vaccines, does not increase children's risk of autism. It shows kids who had been exposed as babies to high levels of the preservative -- through vaccines they received or their mothers received while pregnant -- were no more likely to develop autism, including two distinct subtypes of the condition. "This study should reassure parents about following the recommended immunization schedule," said Dr. Frank Destefano, director of the Immunization Safety Office at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in Atlanta, and the study's senior author. Concerns about a link between vaccines and autism were first raised more than a decade ago by British physician Andrew Wakefield. His report, based on 12 children, has since been discredited and was retracted earlier this year by the journal that published it. In the meantime, it sparked a fierce worldwide debate among scientists and a health scare that caused many parents to shy away from recommended vaccines like the one against measles, mumps and rubella. Outbreaks of all three diseases followed.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:23:29 AM)
I'm not sure what the laws in California are. From what I've read, parents can request thimerosal free flu shots for children but what about adults? They shouldn't be injecting that crap into anyone. I don't want to get the flu or H1N1, but I have no wish to increase my chance of developing alzhiemers either.

brokedickdog -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:27:21 AM)
"We're from the government, and we're here to help." Likely we've already received all the help we can stand. DFB, I hope you, or yours, haven't been affected directly by this issue/problem.

angelikaJ -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:29:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl They're still putting mercury in flu shots. What will it take for the US government to completely outlaw thimerosal (mercury) in all vaccines? They are still putting thimerosal in some flu shots. The CDC has projected that there will be aproximately 74 million thimerosal free flu shots available for use this flu season. http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/vaxsupply.htm It isn't perfect; it is progress.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:31:34 AM)
Somebody paid them to conduct a study specifically to eliminate the link between thimerosal and autism. Mercury is poisonous to the brain. From what I heard, medieval hat makers went insane from dipping hats in mercury. Isn't that where the term mad hatters came from?

mnottertail -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:33:04 AM)
what preservative is replacing it and what is its efficacy and side-effects?

mnottertail -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:40:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Somebody paid them to conduct a study specifically to eliminate the link between thimerosal and autism. Mercury is poisonous to the brain. From what I heard, medieval hat makers went insane from dipping hats in mercury. Isn't that where the term mad hatters came from? They also put mercury based shit in newborns eyes. Abraham Lincoln was treated for some disorder with mercury (with side effects) and there is a vast difference in slathering yourself in such chemicals as mercury, arsnic, chlorine, belladonna, floride....and so on, day in and day out, and their usefulness in treatments in miniscule quantity.

rulemylife -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:41:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl Somebody paid them to conduct a study specifically to eliminate the link between thimerosal and autism. Mercury is poisonous to the brain. From what I heard, medieval hat makers went insane from dipping hats in mercury. Isn't that where the term mad hatters came from? Who is this "somebody" and who did they pay? There have been numerous studies that have debunked this myth.

truckinslave -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:42:50 AM)
quote: I'm not sure what the laws in California are. The way I heard it is they outlawed it and autism rates remained unchanged. There has never been a proven link between the two; just post hoc ergo propter hoc.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 7:56:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: brokedickdog DFB, I hope you, or yours, haven't been affected directly by this issue/problem. My son was affected. He got behind on his immunizations because he caught a cold that turned into a respiratory infection. I had to go back to work and no day care would take him until he was current. He received 6 immunizations in one day to catch him up and the health department said it wouldn't hurt him when I expressed concern. Over the next 2 weeks, he emitted a high pitched scream, although he didn't cry or act like he was in any pain. Then his development started deteriorating and he was diagnosed with autism. When I was visiting my grandmother, I mentioned my son's autism to one of my grandmother's home health workers and they asked about his vaccinations, specifically asking if I noticed a high pitched scream. She thought it sounded like mercury poisoning. Then I began researching and didn't like what I learned. Pharmaceutical companies are afraid of lawsuits but not afraid enough to stop using thimerosal. Instead, they pay scientists to conduct studies that make thimerosal look harmless. How can a componant of mercury possibly be harmless?

stef -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 8:04:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl My son was affected. You have no way of knowing whether it was the immunizations or your own damaged genetic material that are responsible for his autism. Your behavior here over the years lends far greater proof to the latter hypothesis being more likely than the former. ~stef

Bootstraps -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 8:11:42 AM)
All it takes is a few triggers to push the autism button. Until you experience it yourself and witness it there will always be someone tsk, tsking parents for what they know and have experienced. Want to call the vaccine "myth" a coincidence, fine. Bottom line is you got a country full of kids with autism. Mine is one of them....similar to the above post vaccine. No screaming just pretty much went from smiling happy, chatty 16 month old to non responsive toddler with in a couple days post vaccines. Lots of those kids on pharmaceuticals...now must be a cash crop for pharma.

angelikaJ -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 8:15:31 AM)
There was a time when people used to use "quicksilver" (mercury) medicinally and drank the stuff. We know better now. Mad Hatter disease was caused by the hatters having prolonged exposure to a mercury solution with poor ventilation. We know better now. Some people are in a panic over the mercury in their dental fillings. Some dentists make a fortune convincing them how very dangerous it is. The amount of mercury in vaccines was very small to begin with. It is my preference to not poison myself either but we are all exposed to chemicals and most pose more of a hazzard to us than the mercury in vaccines. For example: http://www.chemicalbodyburden.org/whatisbb.htm There are foods I avoid: anything containing cottonseed oil... the amount of pesticides used in the production of cotton... and there is no way to get rid of it all, peanuts in the shell (or freshly ground peanut butter). I try to look at facts: mnottertail mentioned Belladonna; the deadly nightshade plant. And yet belladonna alkyloids are used in medicine in many forms: scopolamine is used for motionsickness in a patch form and in my lifetime, Contact for colds was sold over the counter and contained belladonna alkyloids.

Bootstraps -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 8:16:20 AM)
So risk the trigger...the issue with mercury in vaccines is to keep the vial sterile they are multi-injection vials. Saves money vs. single dose vials so a few kids get autism because they are predisposed because of genetics or some other environmental assault meh.

rulemylife -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 8:18:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bootstraps All it takes is a few triggers to push the autism button. Until you experience it yourself and witness it there will always be someone tsk, tsking parents for what they know and have experienced. Want to call the vaccine "myth" a coincidence, fine. Bottom line is you got a country full of kids with autism. Mine is one of them....similar to the above post vaccine. No screaming just pretty much went from smiling happy, chatty 16 month old to non responsive toddler with in a couple days post vaccines. Lots of those kids on pharmaceuticals...now must be a cash crop for pharma. I can empathize with those whose children are affected and I can see the need to try and find the cause. The problem is there has never been a credible link established between vaccinations and autism. In the meantime, we now have a large number of parents refusing to vaccinate their children against preventable diseases.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 8:18:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: truckinslave quote: I'm not sure what the laws in California are. The way I heard it is they outlawed it and autism rates remained unchanged. There has never been a proven link between the two; just post hoc ergo propter hoc. There was a proven link followed by an attempted cover-up. A reporter who heard the conflicting evidence compared the autism rate among the amish (they don't have their kids vaccinated) to the autism rate among non-amish. The children who did have it were adopted after receiving vaccines. Autism is extremely rare among the amish.

rulemylife -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 8:23:10 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl There was a proven link followed by an attempted cover-up. A reporter who heard the conflicting evidence compared the autism rate among the amish (they don't have their kids vaccinated) to the autism rate among non-amish. The children who did have it were adopted after receiving vaccines. Autism is extremely rare among the amish. Ok, since it was a proven link and then an attempted cover-up I guess you are not going to have any trouble citing that for us.

defiantbadgirl -> RE: vaccines don't cause autism, they just result in autism (9/15/2010 8:37:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: stef quote: ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl My son was affected. You have no way of knowing whether it was the immunizations or your own damaged genetic material that are responsible for his autism. Your behavior here over the years lends far greater proof to the latter hypothesis being more likely than the former. ~stef There is no history of autism in my family or my son's father's family. Your behavior here over the years, repeated insults toward me as well as others, shows that you get much satisfaction from inflicting verbal abuse. Ever heard of Narcissistic Personality Disorder?

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