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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 1:03:21 PM   
Moonhead


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Status: offline 		I think there's no discourse on it because anybody who tries to point this embarrassing fact out is obviously a leftist h8ter opposed to the values that have always made America great.
(I could be missing something though.)

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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 1:31:07 PM   
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(and since wealth is not created from nothing........)

What is wealth created from, Ron?

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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 1:32:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		resources. people, lumber, deepwater drilling for oil. you know. things.  matter is neither created nor destroyed. 

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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 1:34:18 PM   
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resources. people, lumber, deepwater drilling for oil. you know. things.  matter is neither created nor destroyed. 

And how is that wealth created?  What is the process?

(and matter can be destroyed.  It's can be converted to energy.)

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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 1:46:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Firm converting to energy does not counter the idea that matter is not created or destroyed.
The total mass and energy of a closed system remains constant, is part of the Theory of Relativity.
Look up the Law of Conservation of Energy. you'll find the idea that matter is niether created or destroyed because Mass is energy and energy is mass they are simply different forms.



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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 1:53:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		That said wealth is created by adding up profits. Profits are made by finding a way to supply a good or service for less than the price people are willing to pay for it.



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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 1:55:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		which is a transformation, since material objects are energy.

well, by example, you cut down a forest, and saw it into 2 x4.  you get money (goods services something of value).

Or, you try as cheaply as you can to extract oil from a deepwater well, foregoing maintenance, doing some paperwork, assuring without care that everything is hunkydory, which in turn blows the well, you get a bonus, and move on to other profit opportunities, obfuscating and railing that the government is fucking you out of jobs.  Hey, whatever.

See, I am of the type.....hey, goddammit, I own a business, I drive a caddie, I own a cottage at the lake ....
I can see the working guy saying hey, I work at your business, I bring you money, I am instrumental in 'creating' your wealth, I want a caddie, I want a cottage at the lake....

the creation and destruction as well as the entropy ideas are human concepts, they are actually not real and physical.

we do not create or destroy, only transform, and your house falling apart is of no concern to the universe, in the fullness of time, the earth goes back to order, and your house is buried and discomboobilated, and future generations are unaware of its ever having existed.  You blow up earth?  Universe don't care, burn up in the sun....whatever, no big loss, only of some trivial and proximate import to you and I as long as we live and breathe.  

But why do you ask such questions, hell, pick up a kindergarden primer, the answers have been given hundreds of years ago.  You will not enlighten me of some other reality by sophism here. They don't exist.  questions have been asked and answered long ago, there is no new light to be shed upon this matter.


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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 2:23:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Unless he's arguing that currency's value isn't actually linked to anything coherent or solid, I suppose.
(That said, I never got the impression that libertarians were big on inflation, which is down to the government interfering with the free flow of capitalism in most cases.)

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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 4:39:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		They said on the news tonight that Obama wants to give even more of our money to the "U.N." to help alleviate ...."global poverty".
Gee, that'll help huh?
Who's "president" is he?

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RE: Poverty reaches historic levels - 9/22/2010 5:04:57 PM   
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So basically, poverty is caused by people who are unwilling to work, and unfair trade practices such as outsourcing, free trade, and illegal aliens. The responsibility of Congress is to level the playing field, and that is where both sides have failed us. Everyone of the liberals and RINO's must be voted out.



Where to start debunking this nonsense ?

Outsourcing, free trade agreements, illegal aliens. You know these are all used by capitalists to get richer by reducing cost margins?  Do you think you are going to get rich fruit picking ? Do you think you are going to get rich doing jobs that are outsourced to the cheapest bidder ? Do you think free trade agreements dont actually help Americas economy ? Do you think capitalists would be willing to pay you good wages to do any of the jobs done by the above means. Do you even think at all ?

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