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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 11:24:32 AM   
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Pops you really don't have a clue do you?She doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of winning the general election....and the Republican party knows this.....why you didn't get the memo is beyond me.....perhaps someone at party headquarters took seriously your facetious claim of "interdependency"......lol.



Mike, don't take yourself so seriously I'm just having some fun.

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 11:27:35 AM   
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In that case the issue would be one of taking you seriously.
Which I willl agree is a rather silly thing to do

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 11:48:38 AM   
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what u don't seem to understand julia, is that us dumb southern hicks know what is going on. we do not deny that money people have gotten behind us. they do not force us to believe some hog wash. we of the tea party still believe that the main concern here is that the government, not just democrats or just republicans but all of them have been spending like there is no tomorrow and it can not continue. big money has not changed our views. .
yes yes when asked a lot of people will add their personal wishes, no gun control, illigal alian control, ect ect ect but for the majority it centers around the main concern of getting the spriling out of control spending under control. since the 70's spending has gone almost straight up, up, 22! under carter, ragan, bush, clinton,bush... up up up. we cann not afford it! the country will go bankrupt!!

I believe a lot of other things julia, that would probably stick in.ur crawl, but that's neither here not there. I am amazed at people who can not see the problem, who would support a pol or group that does not see the problem.
julia, can u not see that the out of control spending is scarry threat to our nation?

Lady Pamela


I only have one simple question.

Since you acknowledge that deficit spending has been spiraling upward for 30 years, how is it that you suddenly decided it was time to protest just in the last year and a half?


yes.... I finally sat up and took notice. and I have obama and the lib media to thank. something about obama stuck in my crawl, not his skin color, he a very nice looking man.... I think it was his ideal on taxing oil and coal companies out of exzistance, it was a little heard interview at a local station in virgina. then there was 3 big news anchors after the dnc speech saying they didn't know anything about obama....by this time I was reading his books, question is why hadn't they read his books?.....then the lib media started pushing for mccain to win the nomination then sends scores of repoters to rip palin apart...yet...they knew nothing about obama... that and the recession all combined to make me take notice.

untill that time I did not notice, like many I lived my life as usual, only taking notice of things now and then.

when I got to looking at our debt.....my God, it is unstaniable, and, it is projected to triple!!! when obama took over it was 8 trillion. now a meer year and a half later it is 12 trillion and expected to be 20 to 25 trillion by 2020. now, no matter how much one wants to blame the right for leaving a deficate, they only left 8 trill not 12. to top that off, the dems had control of making the bills for years now! no matter what went on before, it was not only the 'right' in charge for the last 40 years.

finally u seem to not want to answer julia, are u concerned about the uncontroled spending or do u think obama and the left will quit spending sometime soon?

and one other question, did u not know that media matters and acorn which started the grassroots swelling behind obama are funded by the left pols and sorros?

Lady Pamela

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 11:50:19 AM   
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what makes you think that the right will quit spending? what makes you think anything?

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 12:23:28 PM   
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Where did you get the idea that she does?

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 5:07:16 PM   
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I believe a lot of other things julia, that would probably stick in.ur crawl, but that's neither here not there. I am amazed at people who can not see the problem, who would support a pol or group that does not see the problem.
julia, can u not see that the out of control spending is scarry threat to our nation?


I see that spending priorities are not on social programs, as you have been led to believe, but instead we are spending on the military and spending on things that favor corporations...the numbers in the budget would support that contention...

If you really want to curtail government, start with the military industrial complex... otherwise you really don't want to curtail government at all, and you are just paying lipservice to the idea because of a socially regressive agenda

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 6:38:26 PM   
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"out of control spending..."

Funny, I quit the Republican Party in the mid 90's in part because of their addiciton to pork; after embracing the notions of small government and fiscal responsibility in 1980, I watched as the FUCKING REPUBLICANS ballooned the size, scale, and scope of government under Ronald Reagan, who cheerfully signed every damn budget and deficit, year after year after year.

Then watched as GWB ballooned the budget and deficit again, to historic highs, leaving a final staggering one year budget deficit of 1/3 of all spending.

Then I listen to conservatives suddenly on January 20, 2009 decide that budget dificits are a threat to our children, and will kill us all in our sleep, and are such a threat that we must cut off Social Security to elderly widows.

But not such a threat that we can't afford a couple trillion more dollars in wars and tax giveaways to Wall Street fund managers.

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 6:41:00 PM   
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what makes you think that the right will quit spending? what makes you think anything?


good grief what did u not understand? that I think both parties are responsible?

I do not for a milisecond believe that the republicans would do a thing different if they were left alone.

many times I have seen evidence of the
people' rising up' and letting those in the the govt know how they feel about a pending bill. and always the govt went with the majority.

this time they are not. most of the dems and a lot of the republicans are not listening. Obama has said several times that he is not listening. he and peloski have deluded themselves into beliving that if they just explain it right we will all thank them for bankrupting us.

the dems took over the student loans, housing, fanny mae and fredie mac, the two largest home loans instutions. (and they are 5 trill in debt) auto, banks..on yeah, medical...hell, we're gonna need to tax a lot of people to raise enough money for all this!

do u think if we took all the money from the top 10% we would have enough to pay for all this? google it, you might be surprised.

soon we will have to ask the govt for everything. and they are doing all this with our money!!!!!

hope and change we can believe in

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 6:56:08 PM   
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the dems took over the student loans, housing, fanny mae and fredie mac, the two largest home loans instutions.


Dear lady-

WTF???

The Democrats TOOK OVER Student Loans? Do you mean the student loan program that was started in the 1960's where the TAXPAYERS guaranteed the loans that banks made to unemployed 18 year old kids? Effectively making it a guaranteed gravy train for the banks that had zero risk on the loans they made?

In other words, the loans that WERE NEVER EVER made in the private sector, but WERE ALWAYS made from the taxpayer teat?

Those loans?

They TOOK OVER Fannie Mae and Freddi Mac, the quasi private programs STARTED BY THE GOVERNMENT intended to provide more liquidity to the mortgage industry? Beacause the banking industry couldn't/ wouldn't?

Seriously, lady-
Are you one of these people who holds up a sign saying "Don't let the gummint take over Medicare"?

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 6:57:31 PM   
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Taking over the student loan program made it cheaper for the taxpayer and enabled the government to loan more money to more students. The banks did nothing to merit making money on student loans, they had no risk in them, and they basically just processed the paperwork. It is fiscally smart to process these loans, since we are already taking a risk on them... and the interest on these loans can create more loan money for more students.


You avoided answering my question, do you want to cut military spending? Because that is about the last place we can really slash our spending

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 9:24:27 PM   
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Hi julia,

This article about Sal Russo and the Tea Party was in the L.A. Times a few days ago. Russo is a political professional.



Sal Russo, the firepower behind the 'tea party'
The seasoned strategist, who spent decades handling advertising for Republican politicians, is advancing the movement through Tea Party Express, which has raised $5 million. Some question his motives.
September 18, 2010|By Matea Gold, Tribune Washington Bureau


"There's no question that Tea Party Express, the political action committee Russo runs out of his Sacramento-based firm, is the advertising muscle behind the tea party insurgency. In Delaware, the group spent $236,000 on television and radio commercials on behalf of Christine O'Donnell before last week's Republican primary, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics, helping her beat the expected winner, Rep. Michael N. Castle.

Earlier this year, the PAC dropped nearly $600,000 in Alaska on ads that boosted Joe Miller over Sen. Lisa Murkowski, and racked up $944,000 in advertising in Nevada backing Sharron Angle, who hopes to unseat Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.

As the only tea party group making significant advertising buys, Tea Party Express has become one of the most potent forces in the protest movement. The PAC raised $5.39 million through early August, all in single donations of $5,000 or less, by tapping into a database of supporters that now surpasses 400,000 people.

Much of the group's success is because of Russo, whose political expertise gives the PAC media firepower in its efforts to elect fiscally conservative candidates.

"It's great to blog and have signs and demonstrations, and we do all those things," Russo, 63, said in an interview. "But we believe in changing through the political process."

Sacramento attorney Steve Merksamer, who was Russo's boss when both worked for Deukmejian in the governor's office, said the group had an edge because of Russo.

"A lot of these tea partyers are extremely frustrated Americans who are new to politics," he said. "He's a talented political operative who has been doing this a long time."

But that's exactly what rankles others in the movement, who view Russo and his colleagues as professional GOP consultants exploiting the grass roots.

"These are folks who have done what so many feared would be done: They tapped into the movement to raise money for their own interests," said Mark Meckler, co-founder and national coordinator for Tea Party Patriots, an online network of local groups."

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/sep/18/nation/la-na-tea-party-ads-20100919

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/20/2010 9:42:13 PM   
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I find it surpassingly odd that every "tea party" candidate I've investigated, dozens so far, has a long history in the extreme right social conservative movement. Where are these previously apolitical types who are so concerned about deficits they had to get active?


DomKen, how about O'Donnell, she was into "witchcraft."
And it looks like she's going to lay some "mojo" on her opponent's ass too!

Best check her resume. Every job she's ever held has been in conservative think tanks or working for the RNC.

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/21/2010 7:34:54 AM   
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Thanks for posting that article, Vendaval....

The culture warriors are poised to storm troop the GOP, which might help them through this election season, but over the long term it isnt

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/21/2010 9:57:19 AM   
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From Charles Hurt's "Inside Washington" column in the New York Post...

Defying the boundaries of political absurdity, President Obama shed his Red coat yesterday and locked bayonets with Republicans in hopes of aligning himself with the anti-establishment Tea Party and its mantle of "Don't Tread on Me."

Calling the movement part of a "noble" American tradition, Obama whined that Tea Partiers have simply misidentified the real culprits in Washington. It's those untax-and-spend Republicans, he insisted. Not wise and frugal Democratic statesmen such as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and himself. OBAMA now says he thinks skepticism of the federal government is healthy. And, suddenly, he says he now believes in a limited, fiscally conservative government.


Politics as musical chairs?

K.

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/21/2010 11:02:45 AM   
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How does this dovetail with the topic of the thread, which is about those who FUND the tea party and their republican roots?

Just wondering...


Here is what I have noticed, when right wingers do not like the topic of the thread, they make it about Obama in some weird sort of unrelated way. If you want to talk about Obama, you should start an Obama thread

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/21/2010 11:47:14 AM   
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How does this dovetail with the topic of the thread, which is about those who FUND the tea party and their republican roots?

Well I understood you to say that the point is...

The point is the tea party represents itself as being anti - political establishment when it was created by the establishment... that is the entire point of the threads I have made on the subject... they are duping ignorant people and lying to them

So it seemed to me a contrast worth noting if Obama considers the Tea Party movement part of a noble American tradition.

K.

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/21/2010 11:49:41 AM   
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The nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office (the government's accountants, basically) found that the health care reform bill would be deficit-neutral given its expenditures and funding mechanisms.

And now the benefits of it are starting.  Like this week I think (this article was from last week sometime).

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39160527/ns/health-health_care/

No more lifetime limits from insurance companies.  Your kids can stay on your health insurance till 26 now if they can't find a job.  Zero co-payment on preventative exams (also for Medicare).  No cancellation on individual policies because you had the audacity to actually get sick.  And eventually 30 million people who aren't now covered will be.  Only 30-some years after the rest of the developed world managed to do the same thing ahead of us!

People with Cadillac plans, tanning bed addicts and the very wealthy will be chipping in more so that we aren't treating poor people in ERs later at much higher cost when their conditions become much worse. 

It's called living in a civilized society.  If you don't like it, move to Afghanistan, lol.  I understand they have good conservative values there.  No gays and the women sure know their place.

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/21/2010 11:52:49 AM   
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So it seemed to me a contrast worth noting if Obama considers the Tea Party movement part of a noble American tradition.


I suppose that MIGHT matter if people were talking about Obama here. I am not a democrat, nor do I put much stock in what Obama says or approves of. It is a red herring to me

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/21/2010 11:54:04 AM   
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Again, Suzanne, this thread isn't about Obama or his gains, that is another thread

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RE: Tea Party Radicals - Astro Turf Manipulation - 9/21/2010 12:03:19 PM   
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~ FR ~

From Charles Hurt's "Inside Washington" column in the New York Post...

Defying the boundaries of political absurdity, President Obama shed his Red coat yesterday and locked bayonets with Republicans in hopes of aligning himself with the anti-establishment Tea Party and its mantle of "Don't Tread on Me."

Calling the movement part of a "noble" American tradition, Obama whined that Tea Partiers have simply misidentified the real culprits in Washington. It's those untax-and-spend Republicans, he insisted. Not wise and frugal Democratic statesmen such as Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and himself. OBAMA now says he thinks skepticism of the federal government is healthy. And, suddenly, he says he now believes in a limited, fiscally conservative government.


Politics as musical chairs?

K.




See! Obama likes the Tea Party too!

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