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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 9:41:33 AM   
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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 9:43:45 AM   
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WhiptheHip, I see your name at the top to the page refreshing the thread. I asked my questions in all seriousness. It would be nice if you would respond.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 9:49:50 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

WhiptheHip, I see your name at the top to the page refreshing the thread. I asked my questions in all seriousness. It would be nice if you would respond.

Good luck with that.  He's skirted these questions in the past and when finally pressed on the issue he said something like "licenses are useless pieces of paper".

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 9:59:28 AM   
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Well there must be SOME reason that he believes he is qualified to guide someone through such a volatile and potentially damaging exercise. I would really like to know what that is. I'd also like to know the specifics of the plan that surely must be in place should things go awry.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:03:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Well there must be SOME reason that he believes he is qualified to guide someone through such a volatile and potentially damaging exercise. I would really like to know what that is. I'd also like to know the specifics of the plan that surely must be in place should things go awry.


I think I can answer the first question:

(from post '75)....I generally get a small fee from both the survivor and the masochist.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:05:25 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Well there must be SOME reason that he believes he is qualified to guide someone through such a volatile and potentially damaging exercise. I would really like to know what that is. I'd also like to know the specifics of the plan that surely must be in place should things go awry.


I could not even begin to think what would make this an ethically viable treatment method. I work with human subjects, and this "therapy" has red flag written all over it... if he is truly doing this shit, he might find himself in court one day either being charged criminally, or at the very least civilly, for the damage he inflicts by encouraging assault and battery

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:05:41 AM   
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quote:

I think I can answer the first question:

(from post '75)....I generally get a small fee from both the survivor and the masochist.


Yes, I saw that. But is it covered under most insurance plans?

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:08:20 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Well there must be SOME reason that he believes he is qualified to guide someone through such a volatile and potentially damaging exercise. I would really like to know what that is.

He's a loving and caring individual, who is sexually attracted to women in severe emotional distress and the "art" of Dolcett.  What more qualifications does he need?

quote:

I'd also like to know the specifics of the plan that surely must be in place should things go awry.

Plan?  Yeah, I doubt there's much of a plan.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:09:41 AM   
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Ive been doing it for twenty five years. I feel bad for you. It must be tough going throgh life with that huge chip you carry around on your shoulder.

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin
Well there must be SOME reason that he believes he is qualified to guide someone through such a volatile and potentially damaging exercise. I would really like to know what that is. I'd also like to know the specifics of the plan that surely must be in place should things go awry.

I could not even begin to think what would make this an ethically viable treatment method. I work with human subjects, and this "therapy" has red flag written all over it... if he is truly doing this shit, he might find himself in court one day either being charged criminally, or at the very least civilly, for the damage he inflicts by encouraging assault and battery



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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:09:45 AM   
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I have never played with someone when I was angry or agitated. Use another human for my stress relief? Not with them as the target, thanks! I take time AWAY from playing when I am in a bad head space. The last thing I need to happen is for some poor soul to trip my trigger by accident and wind up in the hospital or worse.

Ethics are not a part of the kind of "therapy" the OP is recommending. If you need to hit something to let off steam, try a sofa cushion.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:14:26 AM   
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Nasty, negative. hostile people bring out a side of me I dont like.

Are you serious? There are actually sides to you that you DO like? Care to share them with us?

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:14:34 AM   
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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

I know several dozen survivors who have tried this. All told me they felt better afterwards, that it was very theraputic for them. None suffered any damage. I have remained in contact with most of them. In every case precautions were taken in case the survivor experienced a flashback. There is a name for this treatment in psychology. It is called psychodrama. It entails cathartic release of toxic emotions. If this is not something that interests you, I respect that. But I would not judge the survivors who found this form of role-play theraputic. or the masochistic bottoms who benefited from it. No submissive bottom was ever injured. No survivor ever expressed any regret. Many Dommes subconsciously use anger from their abuse in their play. Their male masochists subs are happy they are able to help their Dommes in this manner. Many female subs found once in a blue moon, this role-play helps them. I generally get a small fee from both the survivor and the masochist. I provide a female bouncer to ensure things dont get out of hand. She helps the survivor in the event the survivor experiences a flashback. The point of these sessions is cathartic release of bottled-up, repressed emotions. Judging by the responses Ive read here, most of you seem to have a great deal of bottled-up hostility, and repressed emotions. You seem to get-off on emotional abuse and putting others down. I am sorry if I responded in kind. Forgive me. I am sensitive to the people I interact with. Nasty, negative, hostile people bring out a side of me I dont like. I try to avoid them at all costs. The nicer people are with me, the nicer I am with them. In fact I always try to always repay kindness two-fold. I should have realized everyone on these boards is a know-it-all.

I've noticed on a couple of other threads that you have been called on making claims that you can not substantiate.  My opinion is that you have no proof to these comments, either.  It is also My opinion that any layman should not be attempting to use human beings to prove their theories on BDSM being any type of psychological remedy for past trauma or abuse issues.  Frankly, you're not qualified in any mental health field.  The idea that you are receiving money for providing this "arrangement" only serve to make the concept less tasteful.

The above portion that I have highlighted in red is a comment that just about anyone could make and is not based solely on one gender.  The same accusation could be applied to male sadist as well.  In My experience, it's actually perpetuated more often by men than women that, somehow, female sadists must have some type of inner hatred toward men or they have some sort of repressed issue.  However, that theory is blown to bits when the same female sadists top both genders and get just as much enjoyment out of it.

As a Dominant and a sadist, I have topped bottoms who have reached a cathartic release.  I have had people who have had an emotional trigger happen during a scene that neither of us suspected would happen (as a side note, this has happened more with male, rather than female bottoms).  I have specifically conducted scenes that I knew there could be fall out after the scene had been completed.  If you're promoting the idea that any or all of this would be fine just because there is a female bouncer in the room during the play, and that covers all of the bases, in My opinion, you are not aware of the consequences that could result.


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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:15:02 AM   
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Now, I will agree that most females subs have been sexually assaulted at some point in their lives. This is b/c most females have been sexually assaulted. I will also agree many people into BDSM have been abused as children, but again this is b/c so many children are abused. I would also agree that many trauma victims as well as many predators are drawn to this lifestyle as a way of assuaging guilt and/or finding victims. That doesn't make it right. If you need therapy to get over past trauma, you should get some. I have.










I don't find any of that to be true. I think that is over generalizing and something that the world at large likes to portray about people into BDSM; that it is working out issues of abuse of some kind.

I suppose it is true of SOME, but I would never say most.

As for channeling anger at someone in a physical sense. I don't believe you cannot feel anger or express it just because you are submissive.

I would be more than happy to slap the shit out of a number of people and do even worse to them, but I fear I might break a nail.

So that, combined with prison, deters me from doing so. Not my being submissive.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:18:51 AM   
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I think her point was that WOMEN suffer through abuse in general, not just submissives. If my female friends are any meter on the accuracy of that claim, it is true. One in 4 will be sexually abused before adulthood, one in 10 will suffer through a rape. Many more are survivors of domestic violence.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:23:36 AM   
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I understand that, Julia, but I also think it is an overgeneralized way of thinking that conditions certain men to believe that we are all victims of our own lives and need their guidance to pull us through.

Women are very strong, at least I am and the ones I know. We don't choose to be submissive as a tool to work though abuse. Again, some may and I don't discount that since whatever works for you, is good.

What annoys me is the attitude displayed by the OP and many others who think that what we are sexually always has to do with abuse issues, when that is not true, at least for me it isn't.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:23:44 AM   
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I am glad to say that I was never sexually abused, though I was sexually *harassed*. (not that I recognized it as such as the time)

Nonetheless, if I have any kind of residual anger to release, it will not be directed at some stranger! That's just perpetuating the cycle of abuse!

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:25:30 AM   
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LadyHib, we are all harassed on a daily basis, especially here! :)

But, no I was not sexually abused either.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:28:06 AM   
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quote:

Ive been doing it for twenty five years.


Because you have chosen to avoid answering my questions and I am left to simply do the math, unless I am mistaken you began doing this at the age of 17...which leads me to conclude that there was no formal education or training that pre-qualified you to act as a psychotherapist.

Having much experience working in a professional setting with survivors myself, I have to say that your methodology scares the living crap out of me.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:28:46 AM   
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LadyHib, we are all harassed on a daily basis, especially here! :)

But, no I was not sexually abused either.



Well yeah, but we ENCOURAGE it, here!

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/20/2010 10:28:50 AM   
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Whip, I don't'have any official stats but anecdotally I agree that a lot of subs have a background of abuse. Not all.

That said, if they opt to be submissive, that's their choice.

I don't understand why you think that they should Top someone. Should they wish to try, more power to them. But if they don't, you should respect their decision.

And I have to agree with LadyPact. A Top who is not in control while sessioning is a danger.

This may sound stupid, but if you want someone to Top you, why not a Domme?

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