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Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 7:58:26 PM

WhipTheHip

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I know survivors are supposed to repress and bottle-up their anger, and turn it inward where it becomes self-hate and leads to depression. I know it is dangerous to the psyche of a sub to take a flogger and release her anger on a bottom, because all subs are emotionally fragile things, but I am wondering if there are any survivors here who think they would be helped by taking out their anger on a male bottom? I've been a little facetious in my wording here. I don't think most subs are emotionally fragile, and I don't think it would hurt a sub to release her anger, but the last time I posted messages here everyone else thought it was morally wrong for a sub to release her anger this way. In any event, I am curious if there are any subs who think they could benefit from this.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:09:21 PM

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One should NEVER release or take their anger out on another person......for whatever reason.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:10:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

the last time I posted messages here everyone else thought it was morally wrong for a sub to release her anger this way.

Makes a person wonder why you would bring it up again, if it was already discussed previously. Stirring trouble? Looking for different answers? What's the point?

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In any event, I am curious if there are any subs who think they could benefit from this.

There is no way to know if there is benefit until it is over. I did it, not to a person, but to an effigy. It involved a baseball bat, an iron pipe, assorted other weaponry, and finished with flame.

I didn't need to hurt a person. I needed to hurt HIM. I needed to not feel helpless about that particular situation.

It was but one tool that helped me. Without the other tools, it would have been useless.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:11:33 PM

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Survivors of what?

We're all survivors of something or other. We all have anger. Whether flogging someone is a good way to express that anger? i don't know. For me, i think it might be cathartic, but it's not something i would go out of my way to do, if i could avoid it.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:15:27 PM

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The best way to get over my anger was through therapy. Now there's no anger to release. I'm happy. The end.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:16:29 PM

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Ah, NOW I GET what your deal was.

So this is your fantasy...

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any survivors here who think they would be helped by taking out their anger on a male bottom?

And you were fueling women's anger towards abuse in the other thread because you enjoy the reaction and would like to fantasize about them hurting you.

Ok, you just creeped me out.
It doesn't happen often but *damn*, that is messed up.

Happy thoughts, happy thoughts...

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:25:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

I know survivors are supposed to repress and bottle-up their anger, and turn it inward where it becomes self-hate and leads to depression.

Where the hell did you dig up this gem of a theory? Survivors are supposed to inflict psychological harm on themselves for being ... hell, survivors what what exactly?! I can guess you're talking about sexual assault, or something causing trauma.. as opposed to being the lucky survivor in a car accident where others died.. but who knows, either way I have to wonder why you think a survivor is supposed to essentially hate themselves?

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I know it is dangerous to the psyche of a sub to take a flogger and release her anger on a bottom, because all subs are emotionally fragile things,

Exsqueeze me?! Yeah I highlighted the big gotcha there, which is an assumption upon which you base the rest of your ... theory. Having been involved with more than a few submissives I have to tell you, those I have known are among the stronger willed folks. Really a submissive is a human being first, and can be either strong, weak, or anything in between. It's not the orientation which makes one weak or strong.

As for the point it'self I think you are either working with a lack of experience relating to submissives, or making shit up as you go. This may be true for some submissives, but definitely not all submissives. So again, wtf?

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I don't think most subs are emotionally fragile, and I don't think it would hurt a sub to release her anger, but the last time I posted messages here everyone else thought it was morally wrong for a sub to release her anger this way.

Now I'm wondering why you made the previous statement that submissives are weak, then turn right back around and state you don't think they are. It doesn't really work in the context of an example either, you're coming off more like you're throwing out double talk and expecting a response anyway.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:28:58 PM

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Now I'm confused ten ways from Sunday. In the other thread, you went on and on about not being an edge player, never having struck anyone in your life, yet your profile says this: I am sexual sadist. I can be soft, gentle, and sensuous. I can be aggressive, forceful, and merciless. The rougher you like it, the more I like it. I really enjoy watching a female squirm and writhe while being sexually tormented.

Do you know what sexual sadism means? Sexual sadism means you get sexual excitement and satisfaction from causing someone else to suffer. Is this little survivor scenario something that you want to do to someone else but can't admit it?

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:36:11 PM

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I'm submissive. Why would I want to hurt another? It's not my personality. Sure I'm a "survivor" but so what? I'm still submissive in personality who finds it hard to hurt anyone or anything and I'm not a sadist so again....wtf??

I think you're looking for someone anyone to hurt you even if that means now shopping at the mentally unstable store.

Good luck with that!!

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:36:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

I know survivors are supposed to repress and bottle-up their anger, and turn it inward where it becomes self-hate and leads to depression.

Really? Since when?

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all subs are emotionally fragile things,

Whiskey. Tango. Foxtrot.
Do you HONESTLY believe this?!

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:39:02 PM

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:39:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

I know survivors are supposed to repress and bottle-up their anger, and turn it inward where it becomes self-hate and leads to depression. I know it is dangerous to the psyche of a sub to take a flogger and release her anger on a bottom, because all subs are emotionally fragile things, but I am wondering if there are any survivors here who think they would be helped by taking out their anger on a male bottom? I've been a little facetious in my wording here. I don't think most subs are emotionally fragile, and I don't think it would hurt a sub to release her anger, but the last time I posted messages here everyone else thought it was morally wrong for a sub to release her anger this way. In any event, I am curious if there are any subs who think they could benefit from this.

This post makes no sense. Could you provide some sort of documentation that supports your claims.

I get the feeling this thread is simply a rehashing of THIS one.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:39:47 PM

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I think some of our friends are missing the fact that the first half of the OP was supposed to be sarcasm. Or maybe not. Hell, at this point, it's hard to tell.

Cali

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:42:20 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: CalifChick
I think some of our friends are missing the fact that the first half of the OP was supposed to be sarcasm.

It's true - he was aiming for sarcasm. Still don't understand the post, but the "emotionally fragile" bit was sarcastic.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:45:24 PM

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The scenario you paint sounds like one of the most damaging things that could be inflicted on me. I can't imagine a man getting close to me with the expressed purpose of manipulating my traumas so that I would become the delivery system for his fetish. It sounds like being a victim again, and has nothing to do with my empowerment. How can being used by someone to live out their sick twisted fantasies be "healing" for a person who has suffered at the hands of another?

Users often will take the most tender spot they can to get what they want from someone, and what you want is a woman who will beat you because you want to be beaten. You are a masochist, basically, but instead of being honest about it, you want to disguise your kink in "helping" someone who has already suffered,

If anything, your vacation from this board makes you sound even more scary than ever... I hope you never get your hands on an actual survivor of abuse so you can inflict even more psychic damage... it seems you are seeking people who start out wounded and are all the more vulnerable to being used by you for your own sexual satisfaction. I would rather have a self admitted edge player than someone who disguised his kink as "therapy"

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:52:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

I know survivors are supposed to repress and bottle-up their anger, and turn it inward where it becomes self-hate and leads to depression.
Say what? The best thing a survivor can do is not repress and bottle up their anger. Take a psych 101 class.

I know it is dangerous to the psyche of a sub to take a flogger and release her anger on a bottom, because all subs are emotionally fragile things,
I am a far cry from being emotionally fragile ( where do you come up with such rubbish?)

but I am wondering if there are any survivors here who think they would be helped by taking out their anger on a male bottom?
To take out my anger on an innocent person would be morally and maybe criminally wrong on every level.

I've been a little facetious in my wording here. I don't think most subs are emotionally fragile, and I don't think it would hurt a sub to release her anger, but the last time I posted messages here everyone else thought it was morally wrong for a sub to release her anger this way.
It would be wrong for a sub vent her anger on an innocent person. To act out or role play a hurtful scene that may have happened in her past where she could now control the out come this time might be therapeutic for her...as long as the scene was with another consenting adult and not done in anger. There is a huge difference.

In any event, I am curious if there are any subs who think they could benefit from this.
No in my case.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:57:43 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania
The scenario you paint sounds like one of the most damaging things that could be inflicted on me. I can't imagine a man getting close to me with the expressed purpose of manipulating my traumas so that I would become the delivery system for his fetish. It sounds like being a victim again, and has nothing to do with my empowerment. How can being used by someone to live out their sick twisted fantasies be "healing" for a person who has suffered at the hands of another?

Yep, I have to admit this is probably the scariest thing I've read on this forum and I'll be totally glad if only me, you and Shadow-tiger figure out why.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 8:57:51 PM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

The scenario you paint sounds like one of the most damaging things that could be inflicted on me. I can't imagine a man getting close to me with the expressed purpose of manipulating my traumas so that I would become the delivery system for his fetish. It sounds like being a victim again, and has nothing to do with my empowerment. How can being used by someone to live out their sick twisted fantasies be "healing" for a person who has suffered at the hands of another?

Users often will take the most tender spot they can to get what they want from someone, and what you want is a woman who will beat you because you want to be beaten. You are a masochist, basically, but instead of being honest about it, you want to disguise your kink in "helping" someone who has already suffered,

If anything, your vacation from this board makes you sound even more scary than ever... I hope you never get your hands on an actual survivor of abuse so you can inflict even more psychic damage... it seems you are seeking people who start out wounded and are all the more vulnerable to being used by you for your own sexual satisfaction. I would rather have a self admitted edge player than someone who disguised his kink as "therapy"

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:03:29 PM

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Now I'm confused ten ways from Sunday. In the other thread, you went on and on about not being an edge player, never having struck anyone in your life, yet your profile says this: I am sexual sadist. I can be soft, gentle, and sensuous. I can be aggressive, forceful, and merciless. The rougher you like it, the more I like it. I really enjoy watching a female squirm and writhe while being sexually tormented.

Do you know what sexual sadism means? Sexual sadism means you get sexual excitement and satisfaction from causing someone else to suffer. Is this little survivor scenario something that you want to do to someone else but can't admit it?
Cali

Yes, I am a sexual sadist. I do enjoy inflicting pain. The more pain I can inflict, the more pleasure I get from it. I engage in knife play and electric play. I have never hit anyone in anger, not even as a child. I am not an "edge player." The things edge players do squik me like sewing vaginas shut, sticking pins in breasts, or skewering breasts with kniting needles. I dont think anything that damages the body is sane, and these things damage the flesh. I equate sewing a vagina shut or sticking skewers in breast like drilling a tooth without Novaciane. I enjoy inflciting erotic pain, not ordinary pain. The sight of blood makes me faint. I am squeamish. I dont eat mammals.

I dont lock up subs in cages. I don't treat them like dogs or cows. I never pierce the skin, or draw blood. I can inflict a lot of pain without scaring the body, without leaving permanent marks. I am not into physical violence. I am not into orgasm denial. I am into forcing orgasms. I not only enjoy inflicting sexual pain, I enjoy giving sexual pleasure, even if I have a partner who doesn't like sexual pleasure Outside of sex, I care more for my subs happiness and contentment than I care for my own. I am not into cornor time, eye restrictions, etc. I am not very controling. If I know I can do something to make my sub I happy, I will do it. I am more a top than a Dom. Though I suppose you could call me a Daddy Dom. I am more like the kind, devoted, attentive, loving father most females wish they had.

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RE: Any survivor want to release anger - 9/19/2010 9:06:14 PM

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Yes, the first half contained sarcasm. I dont believe subs have a fragile psyche. I dont think it would hurt them to release their anger.

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick
I think some of our friends are missing the fact that the first half of the OP was supposed to be sarcasm. Or maybe not. Hell, at this point, it's hard to tell.
Cali

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