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ranja -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 2:09:46 AM)

it sounds a bit clinical but you two need a diary together
it is not the most romantic thing to have a relationship or marriage by appointments, but it puts a structure in place (it pays if you are a bit flexible)
making sex dates works very well for us




kiwisub12 -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 4:10:21 AM)

I would be interested to know who he thought would take care of the kids while you swannied off to have fun with strangers - because at 9 and 6, they are too young to be by themselves - or at least the law and human services would consider them to be.

I read and see quite frequently where kids discovered home alone are a good reason to take them away from their parents. Unless the hubby is finding a baby sitter, then spontanaity is out until at least one is about 14 or 15.*sigh*  Being an adult is SUCH a bitch!




lally2 -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 5:30:03 AM)

um - he calls you knowing that youre kids (6 and 9) are going to be back from school? - Dom or not (and frankly Dom or not is irrelevant) they are youre priority surely since theyre not old enough to fend for themselves yet and leaving a 9 year old in sole charge of a 6 year old is illegal anyway.  or am i missing the point here.

the clash is his not youres - he should be thinking 'kids will be home soon, not a good time'  he should be considering the other priorities going on here and working around them surely.  he's asking you to be the parent in youre adult relationship, he's putting you in the unfair position of having to turn him down when he knows thats going to cause you anxt.  he's not playing fair here.  he's setting you up to fail and thats unreasonable.

if someone were to repeatedly set me up to fail like that i would ask myself why - it might be that he's just out of touch with whats needed to keep the family afloat, or he might be trying to create an excuse to say 'youre never there for me!' or he might be testing you to see how dedicated you are as his submissive against all of youre other committments (which is a bit childish (sorry but it is) - you guys need to talk.




OsideGirl -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 6:45:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

In an ideal situation, the Master makes decisions like this after taking into account all factors
It really sounds like he's missing this part. The opportunity to get some pussy is making him think with the wrong head.

You have children. Regardless of M/s (and what some would say) they are your priority.

You two need to sit down and have a serious talk.




kyraofMists -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 7:19:57 AM)

To answer the question in the subject line, yes, he can and does expect me to drop everything to serve him.

With that said he has certain expectations that he expects Alandra and I to fulfill and they include our jobs and our children. If we perceive that an immediate request will interfere with his expectations of our inherent responsibilities then we are required to give him that information. Once he has that information then he will make a decision on what he wants us to do. It may be that his immediate request will take priority or it may be that our inherent responsibilities will take priority.

That is how our M/s relationship works. He has authority over all decisions and what we do.

Knight's Kyra




ladysubnv -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 7:43:59 AM)

I agree with those who posted above. A woman who is a sub, mother, and self-employed wears many hats, but I also question your reluctance to 'swinging', as you've mentioned this a couple times. Could your 'busy-ness' be attributed to not wanting to participate in a relationship with anyone other than your husband?




DesFIP -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 8:07:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: littlewonder

In my relationship with Master if he told me to meet him somewhere then that's what I do...I meet him. Now if I know I have other things to do then I may make him aware of them but it's his decision on which is more important. I do as I'm told. There is nothing complicated about it for me. I trust him to make wise decisions. That's why I'm with him.


Does that include leaving a six year old at home alone? Because that kind of action will get Child Protective Services involved, and fast. And that is what he is demanding here, either that or he treats her children from her first relationship not as children who also deserve to be accommodated but as things solely welcome in the house as long as they do the babysitting for free anytime he wants, and to hell with them having sports, afterschool jobs, homework projects etc. They are supposed to fuck up their lives so he can go fuck others.

I think there must be a lot of resentment in this relationship and he's being deliberately demanding things she can't do to somehow prove that she loves her children which in his mind translates to not loving him. I actually recommend individual therapy for both followed by marriage counseling.




Lockit -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 9:16:11 AM)

Hummm... maybe I am old and cranky... BUT(!) Rather than appreciate that he has a woman/submissive that can wear many hats and it pays well, that she is creative and a good mother, who wants to submit to him... which is a big complaint many have in not having one to submit to them... he RESENTS that she is responsible, loving, creative from home rather than to some big guy in a suit who might want her to work weekends away. Rather than see how she is serving the household and himself in all that she is doing... he resents all these things because they are getting in the way of some sexual fun... humm... gee... what would I say to that?

GROW the FUCK UP... appreciate the little things and stop acting out the horny mid life crisis in full and living color!

Something like this makes it so you really don't care what he wants because he isn't valuing what is already there and being done. He wants more. Okay... this is how to have more. More time, more play.... He gets a better paying job and pays someone else to do much that you are doing. Maybe he learns to improve his own skills so that he can provide better, leaving more time or money to make the fun times actually fun because you have the energy to actually do them. He reads up on parenting and what children of all ages need to become healthy and well adjusted adults... it takes more than seed in, seed out, now sprout while daddy gets him some.

Sometimes we wish for the dynamics and the wonder of it all in d/s and bdsm... hell for that matter simple vanilla(!) but if we can't manage all we invited into our lives and expect some fantasy... which it is a fantasy if reasonable life needs challenge it to the point of being upset it can't happen, maybe we shouldn't have invited so much into our lives. Someone isn't dealing with reality well and is blaming the wrong person. I'd rethink who is boss in this relationship.

Good sex and attention to our partner is imperative and I do believe that adult relationships must be a priority, but it is part of an adult relationship that resulted in children and the need to provide and care for them. Everyone one needs down time. So, make sure each child has some chores to prepare them for life and help out. Make sure those whom are over eighteen if they are, are helping the household financially or older kids can watch the younger ones while mom and dad get a break.

Nothing like making some adult fun look like just another thing someone has to do... more work... more to resent because it takes a toll. It is HIS job to see that it all can be worked out reasonably and if he can't... and he becomes one who can only offer up a bent out of shape guy... it is his problem. Why should the spouse have to point out what needs to be done? He doesn't know it? I don't think much of his skills as an adult if something like that can bend him out of shape.




IronBear -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 9:29:38 AM)

I'm a tad like both Lochit and Kyra here in that I do expect to be obeyed mostly without question, but I too am human and can forget things and especially when it involves kids, or other things which others may be involved with. I also require to be kept informed and thus am able to make changes or even if needs be have another take on what it is the one I want to drop everything is doing. When it comes to kids, I simply direct the person to ask Neets if she can look after them of if she can find someone approved by her to do that. (My rational there is that Neets is a trained professional nanny and as required by law here holds a "blue card" so is my first choice to handle all issues involving children. An awful lot also depends on why I want anyone to drop what they are doing and the urgency of it.




lizi -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 10:14:25 AM)

My Dom and I share an internet calendar on yahoo where we both list what's going on in our lives. It's worked out wonderfully - we live apart, this way we always know what's going on before we accept other engagements or plan additional activities. I'll even mark off time that I am planning to use for homework or go grocery shopping if I know when it is. This may have the effect of having your partner see and understand what you actually do and when he can feasibly expect you to have some free time. Therefore if you have no free time, he may understand that in order to fit in something he'd like, he'll have to sit down with you and problem solve about what to do with the things that already exist.

Along the same lines you could keep a diary of what you do for a week. Give it to him, ask him to look it over and ask him for suggestions on where improvements can be made to fit in what is important to him. Basically, communication and asking him for help in how to tackle the problem TOGETHER would help. Right now the cycle is destructive...he's sitting back and asking you for something and you can't give it to him so you say no. He's frustrated with you...after all you are the one saying no. If you make it a problem that both of you share, then you yourself aren't responsible for making it all happen...the both of you are. It's like sending your kid on a time out with a timer...he/she sets the timer and can come out when it goes off. The parent isn't directly responsible for the punishment and saying when it ends. Don't keep setting yourself up to be the arbitrator of your shared life, let him share the burden of figuring things out.

It does sound as though the workload in your shared life may be unfairly balanced with more falling on your shoulders. It always makes a bigger impression on people when they figure things out on their own...hence my suggestion of handing him a diary of your daily life or making the calendar. Its a fact when you have something in black and white and he can draw his own conclusions from reading it, it's no longer something you are 'just' telling him. It always helps when you can give the other person objective information/facts and then ask for help in solving a problem.




Ra7c7er -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 10:52:12 AM)

I was with a girl that sold photography at craft/art shows and made most of her income that way. While it did really put a dampener on things I knew that's what she wanted to do and I never really complained about it. I know some hardcore Doms that force there subs/slaves to drop everything for them but honestly that is highly unrealistic. You are taking care of 5 kids and doing your own business if he is upset by that then he he should step into your shoes for a bit and then you can whine to him about not playing. See how he feels about it.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 11:57:37 AM)

I can tell you how this would play out at our household. First, there would be a schedule in place, that would enable your time to be arranged so that projects like candlemaking and advertising would be taken care of, and so that youngsters would be cared for, fed, and supervised -- and if I wanted my servant to -be- someplace with me in the evening, I would make sure to arrange for child-care so that that could happen, as well as working within a schedule that would allow my servant to be properly rested and physically capable of doing whatever I chose.

That being said, in response to the OP, yes, sometimes I -do- require my servants to drop what they're doing, regardless of how important they think that it is, though, for me, it would be foolish to make a habit of it, since I have to clean up the messes that come out of doing so (my job, as the boss).

Sometimes, however, we make our lives much more drama-filled and create busy-ness to keep from having to inter-relate, and part of me wonders, from reading your post, whether that may be part of what is going on here. Deadlines are missed all the time in the real world, and even when we're diligent, things slip, and yet the world doesn't end. Plans change, and yet life manages to go on -- so making a huge issue out of changed plans sometimes hides other issues that have not been resolved, and which the workload is used to "cover up" and legitimize. I've learned myself, over the years, that there is virtually NOTHING that is going to complete disintegrate if we miss a deadline, or have to re-schedule. If inventory is low this weekend because the one to whom you answer required your attendance rather than spending the time building inventory, then he gets to accept that there won't be as high an income coming in from your business this weekend (including possibly having to make up a shortfall in overhead, if that is an issue, so that sufficient future materials which might have been paid for out of that additional income can be obtained). Those are part and parcel of the complexities of being in the position of leadership in a relationship. I get to say "drop what you're doing and get over here and do what I want"... but I'd better be prepared to either catch what will fall because I demanded that attention, or be prepared for the repercussions of letting that thing drop.

The thing is, it sounds to me like you're still, for the most part, holding on to the control of your life and your situation. That may be ok -- but it sounds to me like you're resisting this last little bit of giving up that control, and you need to ask yourself whether the world really -would- fall apart if you let go, or whether you're CREATING mountains (out of molehills) to avoid yielding in that last measure.

Calla




January -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 12:32:28 PM)

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I've learned myself, over the years, that there is virtually NOTHING that is going to complete disintegrate if we miss a deadline, or have to re-schedule.


Not when it comes to children, Calla.

January




Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 12:45:49 PM)

That would be an incredibly rude way of communicating a problem with him, and if her dom is like most, and expects their sub to speak to them respectfully and politely, that's a very bad idea to communicate something so rudely.

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ORIGINAL: daddysliloneds

tell him to come home and take over all of your responsibilities so you can go out and meet the couple; or, tell him to get over himself, he's expecting too much!




Lockit -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 12:55:40 PM)

Which comes first? (Kind of like the chicken or the egg question.) A dominant that doesn't have a clue in running a household or a submissive that gets frustrated because the dominant doesn't have a clue and expects too much and then might say something out of line? Bad submissive behavior or bad dominant behavior?

In my opinion, the dominant needs to address all the issues at hand and work out a plan. Things will go wild at times and no plan will work... but to get upset about them... is unrealistic when you have a large family and commitments besides fun time. Balance... but if the dominant doesn't understand the need for the balance and put things in place and just expects her to 'get it done' and 'be ready', that isn't realistic. Nor would expecting her to always be of good cheer when too much is expected of her and then she gets blamed for it all not working out to his liking.

It wasn't like he said... Next week I would like to meet with another couple and have some fun... work things so this can happen. Dropping a bomb at the last minute in a large family with regular life... you ought to expect an explosion or a 'no can do'! Again, smart dominating is a must.




CallaFirestormBW -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 12:59:40 PM)

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Not when it comes to children, Calla.

January


Sorry, I'm going to have to disagree on this one. Children also need to learn that their schedule is not always the top of the priority barrel, and that sometimes schedules/plans change. These youngsters are school-age, hence are capable of fixing themselves a sandwich (or having the 9 year old fix the 6 year old and hirself a sandwich, etc.), and capable of entertaining themselves and seeing to things that are their responsibilities like chores and homework with a mere dash of supervision and re-direction, provided they're given the opportunity and proper direction to do so from a young age, so as long as they are clothed, fed, and are in a safe place, I don't see where their schedules should be any less mutable than anyone else's in the household. As I mentioned in my earlier post, though, providing proper care for them (a hired caregiver if necessary) is a viable alternative.

Letting children in on the reality that life is apt to through wrenches with wild abandon into monkey-works allowed us to raise four healthy, happy, productive adults, and also confirmed my -parent's- philosophy (which I had railed upon often as a youth when the winds of fate disrupted my plans) that children are by FAR more flexible than we give them credit for.

Calla




defiantbadgirl -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 1:58:14 PM)

What is wrong with your Master? He should know when his children get home from school. He should know what is going on with the entire household including your business. As a Master, he should be running the household. Instead, he expects you to handle everything and throws fits when you can't drop everything and leave 6 and 9 year old children home alone. The only thing he seems to want control over is getting his dick wet. Doesn't sound like much of a Master to me when he can't manage his own household.




DesFIP -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 2:16:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

To answer the question in the subject line, yes, he can and does expect me to drop everything to serve him.

With that said he has certain expectations that he expects Alandra and I to fulfill and they include our jobs and our children. If we perceive that an immediate request will interfere with his expectations of our inherent responsibilities then we are required to give him that information. Once he has that information then he will make a decision on what he wants us to do. It may be that his immediate request will take priority or it may be that our inherent responsibilities will take priority.

That is how our M/s relationship works. He has authority over all decisions and what we do.

Knight's Kyra


And if Alandra knew that doing what he wanted would have her arrested for child endangerment, would she still do it? Because he could be drunk and insist on some such action.

Around here, I'm expected to have his back. Not to obey when I know the outcome will be bad, but to call red if necessary to make sure he doesn't make any such stupid decision as abandoning small children, having them removed by the court, and going to jail for that action.




kyraofMists -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 2:40:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DesFIP

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ORIGINAL: kyraofMists

To answer the question in the subject line, yes, he can and does expect me to drop everything to serve him.

With that said he has certain expectations that he expects Alandra and I to fulfill and they include our jobs and our children. If we perceive that an immediate request will interfere with his expectations of our inherent responsibilities then we are required to give him that information. Once he has that information then he will make a decision on what he wants us to do. It may be that his immediate request will take priority or it may be that our inherent responsibilities will take priority.

That is how our M/s relationship works. He has authority over all decisions and what we do.

Knight's Kyra


And if Alandra knew that doing what he wanted would have her arrested for child endangerment, would she still do it? Because he could be drunk and insist on some such action.

Around here, I'm expected to have his back. Not to obey when I know the outcome will be bad, but to call red if necessary to make sure he doesn't make any such stupid decision as abandoning small children, having them removed by the court, and going to jail for that action.



I find it rather insulting that you think Alandra or I would be foolish enough to be in a relationship with someone who would put children at risk. Know who you are involved with and then you don`t have to worry about protecting yourself or others from them.

Knight`s Kyra




EclipseAbove -> RE: Do you expect your sub/slave to drop everything? (9/23/2010 2:51:46 PM)

I have a 24/7 TPE M/s relationship which means ultimately, I have all of the authority and all of the responsibility. So, in the OP's case, if I said to drop everything and go "swinging", then I would expect to be informed of the impact (with all the horrific details) and then get complete compliance (drop everything and go). Of course it is then my responsiblity/fault if everything isn't running smoothly/child services take the kids away/etc. So, upon hearing the impact, I would exercise my right to change my mind - necessities come first. Just like in any other situation, a good leader listens to his/her subordinates and does not ignore the big picture. Sounds like the OP's dom wants the authority without the coresponding level of responsiblity.




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