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whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 2:12:11 PM

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US and Europe walk out on his speech

Another theory, he said, was "that some segments within the U.S. government orchestrated the attack to reverse the declining American economy, and its grips on the Middle East, in order to save the Zionist regime."

"The majority of the American people as well as most nations and politicians around the world agree with this view," Ahmadinejad told the 192-nation assembly.

The U.S. and several European delegations left shortly after Ahmadinejad made the remarks.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 2:17:29 PM

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Ahmanutjaub ?

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 2:18:13 PM

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I get it he's pissed off at the way shit is, but he needs to get the fuck over it.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 2:32:27 PM

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Doesn't sound any worse than the line Bliar and Bush came up with about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction available at 45 minutes notice...

We, the people, tend to elect twats.

But I'm not sure I can see the anti-Semitism the US delegation predictably whined about. Are people still going for the 'any criticism of Zionism is anti-Semitism' line? Or have I missed some actual, real anti-Semitic comment?

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 3:14:40 PM

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Doesn't sound any worse than the line Bliar and Bush came up with about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction available at 45 minutes notice...

We, the people, tend to elect twats.

But I'm not sure I can see the anti-Semitism the US delegation predictably whined about. Are people still going for the 'any criticism of Zionism is anti-Semitism' line? Or have I missed some actual, real anti-Semitic comment?

From A-jad? Years of them.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 3:16:10 PM

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The definition is : any criticism.

You didn't miss it, you FAILED to recognize it.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 3:59:22 PM

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The Unified Theory of 9/11 certainly involves CIA and at least D. Cheney and D. Rumsfeld as necessary participants (it explains all the observations). The head of state should not make such comments, of course.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 4:21:49 PM

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The Unified Theory of 9/11

LMAO

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/23/2010 7:15:40 PM

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The Unified Theory of 9/11

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/24/2010 5:19:31 PM

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Well, I suppose what he did say is in line with many who have said similar on here, it was an inside job, but the trouble is given the world view of this person even if he did have information, he would be disbelieved. But seeing as he has come out with what he has come out with, I am just waiting for the conspiracy theorists to resurface and bring the whole subject back into the public eye. What will by the majority of the world be seen as the ramblings of a nutjob, I suspect those that believe other than the official view of the atrocity that was 9/11 will feel justified in their beliefs, as another in another country and in a supposed position of power has voiced to the world that there is quite possibly another story.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/24/2010 5:21:40 PM

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His real name is "Shitferbrains"

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/24/2010 6:46:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: hertz

Doesn't sound any worse than the line Bliar and Bush came up with about Iraq having weapons of mass destruction available at 45 minutes notice...

We, the people, tend to elect twats.

But I'm not sure I can see the anti-Semitism the US delegation predictably whined about. Are people still going for the 'any criticism of Zionism is anti-Semitism' line? Or have I missed some actual, real anti-Semitic comment?

Do you even know what Zionism means?

How about the emotional impact of using the term regime?

I cannot understand why you keep defending this nutjob.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/25/2010 2:32:32 AM

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I cannot understand why you keep defending this nutjob.

Despite appearances, I am not a great fan. But, in my opinion, he's no dumber or more dangerous than many other world leaders, and I truly believe that a man needs to be judged by the truth of his words and actions.

The reason I get irritated is because Ahmadinejad appears to be misrepresented at every opportunity, and whatever he says, we are told he is lying, regardless of whether there is evidence to support the view or not. What this looks like, to me, is propaganda. The same sort of demonisation is levelled at Castro and Chavez, Hezbollah and Hamas all the time. The reason is simple. The US, despite claims to be a fan of democracy, really can't stand the idea that other people might have other ideas about who is going to lead them, and what they are going to think. And many people just fall for this nonsense.

I have no problem with criticism of Ahmadinejad and his regime based on their treatment of women and homosexuals (as long as one can avoid claiming Islam is evil, because it isn't). But I have more of a problem with criticism based on lies and what often looks like deliberate misrepresentation.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/25/2010 5:44:48 AM

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One would think a man who is constantly "misrepresented" and "misunderstood", and who is definitely intelligent, would take more care with his words than this one does. Or could it be that he just doesnt care and allows others to clean up his messes?

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/25/2010 5:51:48 AM

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Could it be he is just not afraid of saying what he feels has to be said.

Why hide behind mealy mouthed half truths and down right personal lies when one can speak the truth, or is it it has come to this; despite what we may feel, we must always be politically correct, so as not to offend anyone and undoubtedly side with whoever, whatever is winning so as to minimise damage to ourselves or indeed profit from the situation.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/25/2010 5:56:04 AM

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Then he should own his words. His words are words of intolerance. He should also own the fact that his words are deliberately spoken. As such, he will be taken on the face value of his words.

Which is a lie because Iran is always crying that he is "misunderstood".

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/25/2010 6:05:41 AM

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quote:

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Well, I suppose what he did say is in line with many who have said similar on here, it was an inside job, but the trouble is given the world view of this person even if he did have information, he would be disbelieved. But seeing as he has come out with what he has come out with, I am just waiting for the conspiracy theorists to resurface and bring the whole subject back into the public eye. What will by the majority of the world be seen as the ramblings of a nutjob, I suspect those that believe other than the official view of the atrocity that was 9/11 will feel justified in their beliefs, as another in another country and in a supposed position of power has voiced to the world that there is quite possibly another story.

I read through what you just said three times and still don't understand what you are trying to say.

On one hand there is a vast body of evidence to support that official view.

On the other there are rumors, innuendo, and unsupported theories of a conspiracy.

So are you trying to say that we should give them equal consideration?

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/25/2010 7:37:27 AM

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One would think a man who is constantly "misrepresented" and "misunderstood", and who is definitely intelligent, would take more care with his words than this one does. Or could it be that he just doesnt care and allows others to clean up his messes?

It doesn't matter what he says - he will be misrepresented because certain people don't want to hear what he has to say and they are more than willing to make stuff up to suit their purpose. He could say something really simple like (for example) 'We want to use our nuclear capability for power production.' and some asshole will hear: 'Israel must die! Die Jews!'

It's a bit like certain people here who make accusations of anti-Semitism against myself without any evidence to back it up. They do it because they have no argument, they know they have no argument, but they don't want to let what is said stand. So the easy solution is to deliberately misrepresent and accuse as a way of derailing the argument.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/25/2010 9:52:10 PM

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So much hatred. Its really a shame, actually. 66% of a race of people died. Yes, a race. Not only have you belittled what happened to them at every turn, you try to demoralize them by insisting they dont exist as a race. Then you take up the placard of how others have died as well... when no one is arguing that point but you.

I have no hatred towards Iranians. I associate with quite a few on a daily basis. I live with a man who is jewish by heritage, not by religion. I have the ability to hate a person because of who that person is or how they represent themselves, not based upon what may be flowing through their viens.

I dont see the same within you, hertz. I see someone who is bitter for whatever reason. Nor does that reason matter. You spew so much hatred against Jews that no one can hear anything BUT that.

Im truly confused as to what you believe the difference is between a jew, a pole, a polish jew and a european jew. But, i will give you a hint... there is none. anywhere from 17 to 23 million people died as a result of the Holocaust. I posted the totals of what others believe to be the total numbers within many groups. I have no proof those totals are wrong, nor would i ever assume to hurt anyone within those groups by insisting the assocaited deaths were any more or less relevant because the holocaust holds a jewish face.

You should visit the Holocaust Museum.

http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005143

You may realize that what you are ranting about is not the reality of the situation.

Think about it... 2/3rds of a group of people, european jews, were exterminated. The only other coorelating event i can imagine is the death toll of the native americans. But even then, it wasnt only native americans who were being killed. No one disputes that either.

Its only hatred on your part that has kept this argument going... and your need to convince others that you are correct.

It would be curious to know exactly where your hatred for these people is coming from.

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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/26/2010 2:47:09 AM

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It would be curious to know exactly where your hatred for these people is coming from.

I'd be delighted if you could explain why you think I hate Jews in the first place. If I understood that, then I might be able to answer your question.

If its any help, I do hate what Israel has become - I'm not a keen fan of Apartheid and racism.

I hate what Israel does - bombing civilians and employing collective punishment as a means of control is not something I can support.

I hate the land theft in the West Bank. The Jewish settlers need to be removed, forcibly if necessary.

I think the 1940s decision to transplant European Jews onto someone else's homeland was a huge mistake. But it's done.

I believe the Jewish Holocaust narrative is a myth. I don't deny the Holocaust, but I do deny that the Jews were singled out over many other groups of people who were also the victims of the Nazi genocide.

If that makes me a Jew hater in your eyes, then so be it. I think it's a dumb position, but there it is. However, if you have another reason to think I hate Jews, maybe something else I said, let's hear it.

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