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RE: whats the Iranian presidents real name - 9/26/2010 10:23:58 AM

tazzygirl

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Its simple. You offer no facts, only your opinion.

You attack anyone who disagrees with your position. I said you have hatred, you said that is a dumb position.

You keep insisting that the death of 66% of a race isnt significant enough to give the holocaust a jewish face. I disagree and so do many others.

I have pointed out that during the Indian Wars, it wasnt just native americans who were dying... yet they were called the Indian Wars.

You claim this...

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If its any help, I do hate what Israel has become - I'm not a keen fan of Apartheid and racism.

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I hate the land theft in the West Bank. The Jewish settlers need to be removed, forcibly if necessary.

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I think the 1940s decision to transplant European Jews onto someone else's homeland was a huge mistake. But it's done.

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I believe the Jewish Holocaust narrative is a myth. I don't deny the Holocaust, but I do deny that the Jews were singled out over many other groups of people who were also the victims of the Nazi genocide.

Yet you offer nothing more than your opinion. And your opinion is extremely biased.

Now, taking the writings of a Polish Jew might give us all a better clue as to what was happening...

In 1944, Polish Jew Raphael Lemkin coined the term genocide, applying it to Jews and Poles alike. In this small but thought-provoking book, Richard L. Rubenstein approaches the German Nazi exterminationist policies in much the same vein, while stressing the role of the modern state bureaucracy to make it possible.

Probably the first step in genocide is the denial of the humanity of the intended victims: "Once the victim is categorized as belonging to a different species, the task of transforming him into a thing is immensely simplified...Before the Nazis assaulted the Jews, the Poles, the Russians, and the Gypsies, they were categorized as members of sub-human races."(p. 54). Terms such as Tiermenschen ("animal people") and Untermenschen ("subhumans") were commonly used. Rubenstein (p. 83) points out that Jews were often referred to as "a surplus population", but not the fact that the Germans also used this term for Poles.

The denationalization of those intended for genocide was also significant: "Unfortunately, the Nazis clearly understood the importance of the question of statelessness. When they began to deport Jews from such occupied nations as France, Bulgaria, and Hungary, they insisted that the deportees be stripped of their citizenship by their respective governments no later than the day of deportation. There was no need to denationalize Polish and Russian Jews because the Nazis had destroyed the state apparatus as soon as they occupied the territory. The absence of a state apparatus in Poland and occupied Russia was an indication of the ultimate fate of the Poles and the Russians had the Germans won."(pp. 32-33).

While the mass shootings and gassings of Jews were already well underway, the Germans set their sights higher. Rubenstein cites an October 13, 1942 letter by Otto Thierack, the German minister of justice: "With a view of freeing the German people of Poles, Russians, Jews, and Gypsies, and with a view to making the eastern territories which have been incorporated into the Reich available for settlement by German nationals, I intend to turn over criminal jurisdiction over Poles, Russians, Jews and Gypsies to the Reichsfuhrer-SS (Himmler). In doing so, I stand on the principle that the administration of justice can make only a small contribution to the extermination of these peoples." (p. 34). Richard L. Rubenstein comments: "Soviet domination of Eastern Europe was closer to that of a classical tyranny than was the German occupation. The German aims were far more radical. They sought to create a society of total domination involving initially the enslavement and extermination of the Jews and eventually similar treatment to other subject peoples. They were determined to clear a Lebensraum, a living space, for German settlement."(p. 76).

Of course, owing at least in part to the much greater numbers of Poles than Jews, and despite the fact that 2-3 million Polish gentiles (including half of all educated Poles) were murdered before the Germans before the latter were finally driven out of Poland, the overall extermination of the Poles was more of a long-term German project. In this regard, practical methods of mass sterilization were actively being developed (p. 49), with the 3 million Russian POWs to be the first large-scale victims (p. 50). The Nazi goal was clear: "As we have noted, had the Germans won the war, mass sterilization would have been an important aspect of their program for the subject peoples. It must be remembered that with both the Nazis and the Bolsheviks, victory inevitably led to an intensification rather than a diminution of terror. Mass sterilizations of Poles, Russians and, in the more distance future, the French and the Italians, would have permitted the Germans to exploit the vanquished at their own convenience in the certain knowledge that the subject peoples' national existence was at an end. Whether extermination or killing was the means of securing absolute dominance or whether a certain number of the vanquished might be permitted to reproduce in exactly calculable quantities would have depended solely on the requirements of the German masters. The victims would have had as little control over their own destiny as cattle in a stockyard. In a society of total domination, helots could be killed, bred, or sterilized at will."(p. 52).

http://www.very-clever.com/information/ddqakhdqoe

Now, you also seem to have overlooked the fact that the Holocaust Museum in the US has been around since 1993. It doesnt hide the fact that other nationalities died. Perhaps a perusual of that site may help your anger.

Genocide...

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.[1] While a precise definition varies among genocide scholars, a legal definition is found in the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG). Article 2 of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."[2] Because of the influence of Joseph Stalin, this definition of genocide under international law does not include political groups.[3][4][5]

The Convention (in article 2) defines genocide:

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
– Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article II

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide#cite_note-41

Its that pesky Polish Jew who coined the term genocide. But a working definition is always good when utilizing terms such as these.

Now, here is my take on the whole thing. Hitler wanted the removal of what he believed to be an inferior race, the Jews. He made it a national policy to do just that. And no one did a damn thing. Giving Hitler the go ahead to do it to others.

And in MY mind, thats why the Holocaust has a Jewish Face.

First to be systematically targeted by a regime. Undisputed.

Loss of 66% of its population... the largest loss recorded during the Holocaust. Undisputed.

And, im willing to bet if you ask a Pole, they are simply grateful that the Holocaust is not allowed to die in the memories of the world powers. If we forget, it may be repeated.

These are what i know. These are also what you know. Yet your anger and hatred towards a group doesnt allow you to accept these facts.

Now, if you wish to address differences... The Jews lived in the countries where their laws made them less than human... among their own countrymen. Poland was conquered.

Alas, work calls.

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