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Level -> RE: equals? (4/29/2006 3:55:37 PM)
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Padriag wrote: Interesting question, some interesting answers. Here's another.
No, they are not and never will be equal. Ever. Equality is a myth, its bullshit, a pretty concept cooked up by PC socialist to make everyone feel better. Its a pretty unhealthy concept at that.
Now before anyone flames me, let's do two things.
First lets define exactly what kind of equality we're talking about here.
Are we equal in value? Hmm... this is a prickly one. Let me ask you this... on what basis do you value someone? For example... I'm a total stranger to most of you, so who would you value more, me or say... one of your parents? If I was trapped in a burning building with one of your parents, and you could only save one of us, who would you choose. I'm guessing about 99% of you said your parent, congrats, you value your parent more than me... so we ain't equal in value then are we.
So, one that is submissive to you is of less worth than you?
Merit varies, I certainly agree with that. Rush Limbaugh is not Leonardo Da Vinci. But they both have the value of being human. Doesn't that matter? If it doesn't, then why should we respect those less (or "less") than us?
And yes, I value my mom more than I value you lol. But that has nothing to do with whether or not you have value.
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Padriag wrote: Six years ago I had a slave, she was also my fiance'. She was one of those people who was smarter than me. She was far better educated, had been to the best schools, studied across Europe, had a lot of advantages. Artistically she was so incredibly talented she made me look like an artistic dud... and most folks consider me a fairly good artist (I used to make my living as a painter). She could sing, play eight different musical instruments (I'm still struggling to learn one), spoke seven languages fluently, etc. I tend to measure value by merit... and by my reckoning she was superior to me in almost every way. I loved her for it, among other reasons. Perhaps most of all because she was a better person than me, more humane, more kind, more generous, more noble. She helped me be a better person. I was her Master... I was her inferior... and it didn't make a bit of difference to the fact I loved her til the day she died. What did matter was we were two people both trying to be the best we could be.
I believe this answers my initial question to you. I tended to look at the "equality" being spoken of in this thread as "dominant means superior to submissive, period", and would argue against such a notion. I still say that just by virtue of being human, that gives us value (but does not promise what we'll do with it), and likely you and I won't agree on that alone having anything to do with equality..... but I would stress we're also viewing the word in different lights. I do find much to commend with most of your other statements.
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