Real0ne
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Ok lets summarize this by stating the obvious. No one has been able to point out anything that either party has done that is good after voting the last BUM OUT.
I agree.
That said since my apparent opponents jlf1896 is posting by proxy to avoid accountability for what he says and lucky cannot explain what all that big font means so I guess I will need to end this thread by explaining it in his place.
that said:
"...at the Revolution, the sovereignty devolved on the people; and they are truly the sovereigns of the country,
the country is a stateless dominion on the land based on the each survey of each lawful freehold grantee and when the king signed off the jurisdiction at the treaty of paris as a result there was no claim over any of the people in america hence the people inherited (by grant and abandonment) the sovereignty even without the the declaration of independence. The DOI just made it formal.
but they are sovereigns without subjects...with none to govern but themselves;
The people of america have no subjects, hence they have the power of the king but no vassals. (which is not very accurate because they had slaves), Hence the right to be self governance on a singular basis.
This eliminates "virtually" all need for government as sovereign do one of 2 things. Either make treaties, fight it out in court or declare war and go to arms.
the citizens of America are equal as fellow citizens,
Now a sovereign can be a citizen in the respect of the original usage of the word person. In other words person in its original sense over 1000 years ago meant to wear a mask, such that if you are wearing a firemens hat to perform the function of a fireman would require the sovereign to be subject to some form of governance by treaty of compact with the "community" in as much as how they wanted to the fire department to operate for them. That is the person of fireman. Now later in the day he could also perfom another community service requiring another compact /contract or trust whatever to perform in the PERSON of judge for instance. If the sovereign agrees to the terms and conditions of the contract then he his subject to that contract, trust, whatever. Public officials all operate under trust compacts, and hence become subject to the terms and conditions of the compact by his/her agreement.
and as joint tenants in the sovereignty." CHISHOLM v. GEORGIA (US) 2 Dall 419, 454, 1 L Ed 440, 455 ****DALL 1793 pp471-472
Now the sovereign is a citizen NOT the way people TODAY think of the term citizen or have been taught by the government school system.
The sovereign is under no one except by the treaties created by the sovereigns own hand and they create a constitution with the country, county neighborhood, state etc of their choice for a league of frienship to his fellow sovereigns of the country and the term citizen is used strictly in a political sense in how the sovereigns as a whole want to conduct commerce and do business with each other. Hence the creation of a business contract in terms of voting etc etc etc.
The sovereign does not confer jurisdiction to another to be UNDER another sovereign as the US citizens have done. 14th.
The people of this State, as the successors of its former sovereign,
explains that the king was the former sovereign and the capital "S" is the state as being a member of the corporate body of xyz by democratic agreement of the corporate body.
are entitled to all the rights which formerly belonged to the King by his prerogative.
the 9th and 10th amendments state the above.
It is impossible to declare all your rights until a subject comes up that requires that determination distinction and definition. Hence the 9th and 10th leaves that final determination to the people. Hence by your prerogative, of course there are rules that go along with this that I am not going to get into here.
Through the medium of their Legislature they may exercise all the powers which previous to the Revolution could have been exercised either by the King alone,
The king could make law all by himself without the legislature, (dont believe me? pee all over your mom or dads living room carpet and see how fast the sovereign(s) make new laws in their kingdom), but the king as a rule always depended on his lords and other legal aids to assist him hence the legislature came into play. (well before the magna charta anyway LOL).
In America this is known as popular sovereignty or a group of sovereigns acting as one voice (sovereign) under a given corporate name such VERMONT. Hence the term legislature as that is how the sovereignty operates as a combined voice. All the sovereigns grab a beer and decide what they want to do about whatever.
Of course we gave up that right when the changed the constitution to RE - present us in our stead rather then having a delegate to PREsent us.
BUT who wants to mince pesky legal words that change one from a sovereign to a ward of state?
or by him in conjunction with his Parliament; subject only to those restrictions which have been imposed by the Constitution of this State or of the U.S.
When going through parliament (congress) no difference, (they all get a copy of Jeffersons Manual of "Parliamentary Procedure" upon swearing in), the US Parliament is subject to the restrictions of the constitution.
Thanks for that kick ass explanation lucky!
< Message edited by Real0ne -- 10/5/2010 9:07:08 PM >
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