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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/3/2010 5:26:16 PM   
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I have removed many posts from this thread due to hijacking and replying to posts that were removed. Let's get back to the OP's questions, which were:
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I was wondering what people consider pros and cons of the flu shot based upon their experience?

So while i am going to be talking to my doc on Friday, i was wondering what the average person's take on it is.  Do you get one, why?  If not, why?  Did it help, did it make you have a cold or get sick? Did you still get the flu or a strain of it?


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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/3/2010 5:54:53 PM   
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I'm getting mine on Thursday. Just looked online to see when the grocery store will have them.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/3/2010 6:21:19 PM   
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I'm getting mine on Thursday. Just looked online to see when the grocery store will have them.


I did not think of you as sickly.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/3/2010 8:50:21 PM   
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Had it occurred to you to read the package insert from the manufacturer?

Of course when you ask here- you will find people who are think they need the shot to live and those who think the shots are a bunch of toxic waste.

The replies here can not replace what is on the package insert.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/4/2010 4:19:01 AM   
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PA, i have no clue what you are talking about.  This thread is for opinions that's all.  There is nothing being taken as medical advice on this thread.  READ the OP, it asks for opinions based on personal experience.  Seriously, you are taking this way to deep, when its really a simple thread.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/4/2010 4:37:42 AM   
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I did not think of you as sickly.



And that is why I am getting it, so I don't get sick.

Look kiddos, all of you have elderly friends and neighbors. Go ask them about polio  and whooping cough. Ask about the deaths and the permanent disabilities that resulted. Ask about their grandparents dying from pneumonia which today is a non event if you get the vaccine every 5-10 years.




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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/4/2010 8:41:44 AM   
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Recently past couple years with the H1N1 flu bug, I think I picked it up and I was wondering if I would die or not. lol. yes I find this funny. i didnt want to get the shot because i had heard after the fact that the people who were supposedly healthy had undiagnosed respiratory ailments. so, they weren't -really- healthy

I also heard that the vaccine had made some people blind or paralyzed. they rushed out the vaccine without really knowing whether or not it was safe, for a pandemic that wasn't as serious as they were saying, all for the profit motive.

governments bought up all these vaccines and had millions and millions of extra ones because the public was smart enough to inform themselves that it was an overplayed issue and not as serious as drug companies wanted the public to believe

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/4/2010 9:28:46 AM   
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Recently past couple years with the H1N1 flu bug, I think I picked it up and I was wondering if I would die or not. lol. yes I find this funny. i didnt want to get the shot because i had heard after the fact that the people who were supposedly healthy had undiagnosed respiratory ailments. so, they weren't -really- healthy

I also heard that the vaccine had made some people blind or paralyzed. they rushed out the vaccine without really knowing whether or not it was safe, for a pandemic that wasn't as serious as they were saying, all for the profit


I am not trying to trivialize any potential side effect of the flu.

There have been cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome associated with a previous flu vaccine.

However, in a majority of the cases, it is associated with a common type of food poisoning: Camypylobactor jejuni.

btw: just a reminder, blindness has also been associated with the use of the medication Viagra.

As for not being healthy, if one goes to one's doctor for the shot and requests that they take one's temp before the shot, that is likely to rule out a pre-existing illness.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/4/2010 10:08:17 AM   
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quote:

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Recently past couple years with the H1N1 flu bug, I think I picked it up and I was wondering if I would die or not. lol. yes I find this funny. i didnt want to get the shot because i had heard after the fact that the people who were supposedly healthy had undiagnosed respiratory ailments. so, they weren't -really- healthy

I also heard that the vaccine had made some people blind or paralyzed. they rushed out the vaccine without really knowing whether or not it was safe, for a pandemic that wasn't as serious as they were saying, all for the profit motive.

governments bought up all these vaccines and had millions and millions of extra ones because the public was smart enough to inform themselves that it was an overplayed issue and not as serious as drug companies wanted the public to believe



I will not be getting a flu shot this year.   I might even get sick.  Long term- I do not trust the shots.   Sure you might not notice any side effects- but a few years later- who knows.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 1:59:24 AM   
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PA, i have no clue what you are talking about.  This thread is for opinions that's all.  There is nothing being taken as medical advice on this thread.  READ the OP, it asks for opinions based on personal experience.  Seriously, you are taking this way to deep, when its really a simple thread.

angel



Opinion and experience

While in the military, I was required to take the flu shot every year.

Every year, after the shot, I'd come down with the flu.

When I got out of the military, I quit taking flu shots.  I also quit getting the flu.

A few years ago (4-5, I think), they supposedly stopped using the "partially live" virus and went with the "entirely dead" virus in the shots, to eliminate people from catching the flu from the vaccine.

I took the shot that year.  I got the flu.

I do not take flu shots any more.


Information

Does the Vaccine Matter?
By Shannon Brownlee and Jeanne Lenzer
Health | November 2009 ATLANTIC MAGAZINE

Whether this season’s swine flu turns out to be deadly or mild, most experts agree that it’s only a matter of time before we’re hit by a truly devastating flu pandemic—one that might kill more people worldwide than have died of the plague and aids  combined. In the U.S., the main lines of defense are pharmaceutical—vaccines and antiviral drugs to limit the spread of flu and prevent people from dying from it. Yet now some flu experts are challenging the medical orthodoxy and arguing that for those most in need of protection, flu shots and antiviral drugs may provide little to none. So where does that leave us if a bad pandemic strikes?

...

Jackson’s findings showed that outside of flu season, the baseline risk of death among people who did not get vaccinated was approximately 60 percent higher than among those who did, lending support to the hypothesis that on average, healthy people chose to get the vaccine, while the “frail elderly” didn’t or couldn’t. In fact, the healthy-user effect explained the entire benefit that other researchers were attributing to flu vaccine, suggesting that the vaccine itself might not reduce mortality at all. Jackson’s papers “are beautiful,” says Lone Simonsen, who is a professor of global health at George Washington University, in Washington, D.C., and an internationally recognized expert in influenza and vaccine epidemiology. “They are classic studies in epidemiology, they are so carefully done.”

The results were also so unexpected that many experts simply refused to believe them. Jackson’s papers were turned down for publication in the top-ranked medical journals. One flu expert who reviewed her studies for the Journal of the American Medical Association wrote, “To accept these results would be to say that the earth is flat!” When the papers were finally published in 2006, in the less prominent International Journal of Epidemiology, they were largely ignored by doctors and public-health officials. “The answer I got,” says Jackson, “was not the right answer.”

The history of flu vaccination  suggests other reasons to doubt claims that it dramatically reduces mortality. In 2004, for example, vaccine production fell behind, causing a 40 percent drop in immunization rates. Yet mortality did not rise. In addition, vaccine “mismatches” occurred in 1968 and 1997: in both years, the vaccine that had been produced in the summer protected against one set of viruses, but come winter, a different set was circulating. In effect, nobody was vaccinated. Yet death rates from all causes, including flu and the various illnesses it can exacerbate, did not budge. Sumit Majumdar, a physician and researcher at the University of Alberta, in Canada, offers another historical observation: rising rates of vaccination of the elderly over the past two decades have not coincided with a lower overall mortality rate. In 1989, only 15 percent of people over age 65 in the U.S. and Canada were vaccinated against flu. Today, more than 65 percent are immunized. Yet death rates among the elderly during flu season have increased rather than decreased.

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“Tom Jefferson has taken a lot of heat just for saying, ‘Here’s the evidence: it’s not very good,’” says Majumdar. “The reaction has been so dogmatic and even hysterical that you’d think he was advocating stealing babies.” Yet while other flu researchers may not like what Jefferson has to say, they cannot ignore the fact that he knows the flu-vaccine literature better than anyone else on the planet. He leads an international team of researchers who have combed through hundreds of flu-vaccine studies. The vast majority of the studies were deeply flawed, says Jefferson. “Rubbish is not a scientific term, but I think it’s the term that applies.” Only four studies were properly designed to pin down the effectiveness of flu vaccine, he says, and two of those showed that it might be effective in certain groups of patients, such as school-age children with no underlying health issues like asthma. The other two showed equivocal results or no benefit.

Flu researchers have been fooled into thinking vaccine is more effective than the data suggest, in part, says Jefferson, by the imprecision of the statistics.

...

As with vaccines, the scientific evidence for Tamiflu and Relenza is thin at best.

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Why, then, has the federal government stockpiled millions of doses of antivirals, at a cost of several billion dollars? And why are physicians being encouraged to hand out prescriptions to large numbers of people, without sound evidence that the drugs will help? The short answer may be that public-health officials feel they must offer something, and these drugs are the only possible remedies at hand. “I have to agree with the critics the antiviral question is not cut-and-dried,” says Fauci. “But [these drugs are] the best we have.” The CDC’s Nancy Cox also acknowledges that the science is not as sound as she might like, but the government still recommends their use.


Key points in bold.  You need to read the entire article, and make your own decision.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 2:44:23 AM   
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As for not being healthy, if one goes to one's doctor for the shot and requests that they take one's temp before the shot, that is likely to rule out a pre-existing illness.


It's only likely if you have a "normal" body temperature.  I, for one, don't, so if I have a "normal" temp, I'm feeling sicker than a dog. I will say that I don't trust physicians due to multiple botched health care issues I've had/still have.   I will not be getting the flu vaccine. 

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 7:06:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

As for not being healthy, if one goes to one's doctor for the shot and requests that they take one's temp before the shot, that is likely to rule out a pre-existing illness.


It's only likely if you have a "normal" body temperature.  I, for one, don't, so if I have a "normal" temp, I'm feeling sicker than a dog. I will say that I don't trust physicians due to multiple botched health care issues I've had/still have.   I will not be getting the flu vaccine. 



You know this about yourself, and likely you have informed your personal physician.
You also would not be going to get a flu shot (were you to make that choice) if you were feeling "sick as a dog".

My doctor knows I run subnormal. If I was 98.6 I wouldn't be getting the shot either.

Since the point of my post was to remind people that when you go to get the flu shot you aren't supposed to have a fever or illness, and that a screening tool to rule out an undiagnosed respiratory infection (the post I was specifically referring to) would be to have their temp checked by their doctor, who should know what 'normal' is for them... providing Dr. and patient well, actually communicate.

I am sorry you have had bad experiences with doctors.
At one point or another, probably all of us have.
I do have a primary care physician who knows me well, has been a good partner in preventative care.
I hope at some point in your life, you might have a similar good experience.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 7:21:26 AM   
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Firm,

I like reading articles that had good reasearch, so thank you for providing that.

I began getting the vaccine when I worked in the healthcare field, once they began offering it to us.
One year I did not get it and I did get the flu. One hour I was fine, the next not. I missed at least 10 days of work.

I get it now on the recommendation of my doctor.
She knows my medical history, my bouts with asthmatic bronchitis and other relevant medical history.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 7:27:01 AM   
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Working in a hospital, working with children, traveling a lot in enclosed spaces (aeroplanes), and now working where I have very few antibodies against the strains here... you betcha I'd be getting the shot.  But then I'm not an average person.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 8:04:01 AM   
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i get the flu shot every year...never had a reaction and never had the flu.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 8:12:45 AM   
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But then I'm not an average person.


You are indeed anything but average

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 1:02:26 PM   
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last time I was at the grocery store, there was a flu shot "booth" in the front, one of the old dudes waiting had a heart attack while in line, every one else waiting scrammed....joked with the nurses at the booth that they shouldn't have shot him up with smack...don't know why I'm sharing this story, just kinda thought it was funny


as for myself, I never get flu shots, either I get the flu before the shots come out or I weather the season just fine....guess eating all that raw chicken meat has really uped my imune system lol

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 1:06:36 PM   
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The flu shot contains neither dead nor partially alive virus. It does trigger an immune response that, depending on the person, can cause you to have sniffles, etc. but not the flu. If you get the flu you would be out of action for days. One CAN NOT get the flu from the flu shot as it does not contain the virus itself.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 1:10:05 PM   
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Just one comment - any vaccine or drug can give you side effects. The H1N1 vaccine did not make you paralyzed or blind any more than any other vaccine or drug may (and, in fact, if you look at the stats from last year I believe that you will find that this side effect was less for the H1N1 shot than normal).
They did not rush out the vaccine - it was just like any other flu vaccine - no different. Just a new strain - and they come out with a new strain of flu vaccine every year based on the WHO recommendations for that year.

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RE: Flu Shot -- shall i or shall i not - 10/5/2010 1:15:17 PM   
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Peanuts can cause an allergic reaction as well, of course.

I've been getting a 'flu jab most years for over a decade. Never caught the 'flu after having one.
Is everybody on here who's claiming to get sniffles after having a shot aware that there's a slight difference between a nasty cold and influenza? "Man flu" doesn't count, I'm afraid.

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