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mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 6:26:27 AM)

5 pages?  I'm delusional.




MrRodgers -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 6:40:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

meh.   you suppose that all true slavery is the kind that is wanton and wasteful use by masters, and I am here to tell you joe, it ain't so.... In fact, for long before you were here on this earth there were slaves, and it was until very recently that a good share of this planet was at least in partial slavery...........

The preponderance of the evidence says no.

The preponderance of the evidence informs that you failed entirely to grasp the concept while you to fail to describe the slavery throughout history.

Clearly poster refers to voluntary slavery...so-called as opposed to involuntary slavery. He also clearly suggests that there really is no such thing as voluntary slavery or it isn't slavery and isn't slavery specifically of the...involuntary type. INvoluntray (historical) slavery is a crime throughout the world.

So the slaves self-proclaimed here I suggest actually must perceive their future as a fantasy and now...a lifestyle and that's allowed in the mind because the very basis of the necessity is...that it's voluntary and because this becomes what I've been saying for decades...a pleasure.

I.e., it would be a pleasure to serve that man (or woman) a prospective 'voluntary' slave thinks it a pleasure...living to serve that worthy other, live under his or her control and in their fantastic life...maybe even in their home.




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 6:42:41 AM)

I failed to grasp no concept.  I was responding to the OPs first post.  Perhaps you failed to grasp the concept of reading the fucking thing.




MrRodgers -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 6:50:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

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ORIGINAL: hausboy

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ORIGINAL: Bravado

If there's anything that I've learned in my tender 25 years of life, .

I've consumed all this popcorn, trying to figure what the whole point to this thread was....

....and this one line above explains it all. 

Oh please...enlighten us further.  I'll go make some s'mores.



I'll take, "What is an age-is-just-a-number-thread in disguise" for five hundred, Alec.

Oh, and let's not forget, I'll take, "What is, Hotch should post more often so we have more chances to gaze at his chest" for a thousand.
Cali
(has never called herself a true anything that she can remember)

You are not jaded because then you can go to...




MrRodgers -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 6:51:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CalifChick

Who is really contacting the OP...

A CaliWyld production
[image]local://upfiles/510384/3A93FBF5C045428C86035ABE952D85B6.jpg[/image]

...To insulting.




MrRodgers -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 7:03:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I failed to grasp no concept.  I was responding to the OPs first post.  Perhaps you failed to grasp the concept of reading the fucking thing.

I refer to his post...and yours..here, now. Clearly the suggestion is that only 'true' slavery exists in INvoluntary slavery, which poster refers to in the Nigerian case. Voluntary slavery most often reflects the desire to realize a fantasy...quite voluntarily.

That's the whole basis of the dichotomy.




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 7:09:10 AM)

And I do not see necessary and sufficient conditions met to inform the vox populi that is the only possible and correct definition of 'true slavery', and the nigerian thing came along later. (and I am not one to accept that their hordes are being scammed, I should think it the other way round.  Moving my answer this far along the tortured and wending ratiocination this thread has taken, and answering it as if it were posted much later than it was,  would seem to revise and extend my remarks, and I have asked no such quarter, all things in their proper place and perspective, old bean.  

STET.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 8:39:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bravado
As mentioned in the topic, let's set aside the fact that we're on CollarMe.com and consider the existence of a person from Nigeria who is forced into slavery as a maid in a different country, experiences no sexual pleasure in this, and is eventually killed by accident while the sadistic criminal who owned her was venting his daily rage. Is this person a "true slave," or do you have another word for to describe this person?


That one's easy.  Kidnap victim, or oppressed underclass.  Because there is under some social circumstances little or no cost associated with acquiring or physically maintaining someone from a generally oppressed underclass to abuse, there is no real economic limitation on abusing them to destruction.  This is very different from an institutionalized slavery model, politically and economically speaking. 

Generally kinksters use the term "true slave" to refer to internal enslavement as much as external circumstance.  I'm not a big fan of prepending the term "true" to any concept that really doesn't have a single correct definition, but there you have it.  In BDSM culture, making reference to "true" owners or slaves is usually a form of boasting that one is More Kinkier Than Thou, or that they're doing it right and you're doing it wrong.  What they're actually saying is that they are working harder than you to live up to the ideal of keeping human property in a world that doesn't legally support the concept.


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Now, compare this person to one of the partners of any dom who has criticized this thread as being an imperialist threat to their ideology. Their partner chose to be with them, enjoys the experience, and I would argue that they would leave if it became something that was constantly terrible. This, as many here seem to assert, is a "true slave."


I don't think that all of the peeps who have issues with some of the claims made in this thread are dominants who see these notions as a personal threat.  There are significant problems with the logic and the semantics, not to mention a failure to comprehend the political, legal and economic differences between legal slavery and the opportunistic exploitation of a systematically oppressed underclass.  Huge, huge differences.

It is completely demonstrable that someone can be emotionally, financially and in some cases physically unable to leave their partner even if they become abusive.  Overt or consensual kink doesn't even have to be involved.  You could arguably state that someone in this condition is in "true" slavery, but then you'd be applying that term to a pretty broad category of people.

One of the logic holes that has repeatedly been pointed out here is that while the test of someone being a "true slave" may well be that they are unable to leave even should their conditions of enslavement become extreme or life threatening, most sane people don't abuse and destroy what they own.  Economically that rarely makes sense, except under certain conditions in which the supply of abusable property is effectively limitless and the cost of its acquisition is negligible.   That's not the case in societies that actually have institutionalized slavery or indenture.  It tends to be a side effect of race and class discrimination and extreme wealth stratification.  Actual slaves are valuable property; kidnap victims much less so, members of an oppressed underclass are even more expendable and incur fewer costs when used to destruction.

It is very possible for one individual to be so thoroughly enslaved to another, internally, financially and emotionally, that they would in fact be unable to leave even if their life was in imminent danger.  Because most people in the BDSM lifestyle are not insane abusers, the depth of their enslavement will never be put to the test.  It doesn't make what they have any less real because most dominants really don't want to cut their submissives in half with a chainsaw or sell them to Nigeria. 

Whether it's a good idea to call what they have "True Slavery" is a whole other question, but I would say that it does meet pretty much every definition that has been put forward for the concept. 




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 11:04:51 AM)

Based on how it is defined in defense, I would say that a "true slave" is something objectionable, disconcerting, and void of any reason to be happy or proud. And therefore anyone who claims to be a real slave, as opposed to the implied inferiority of a kinky sex slave, should be expected to cry for help rather than gloat.

I'm satisfied that while most disagree with the way that I articulated my opinion, the general consensus is in agreement. "True slave" is a silly phrase, means nothing with the added prefix, and is used among subscribers of BDSM solely as a way to brag in an effort to impress.

And again, I don't deny that there are slaves in BDSM. Sure, you can be a slave. To anything. To TV, to masturbating, to alcohol, to your job or schoolwork. It's a figurative or symbolic term to describe a commitment or seemingly inescapable circumstance. Adding the word "true" ahead of it merely makes it a more pretentious claim.

If I'm wrong, if any of you out there are true slaves, under 5'5, slender and busty, and have at least a bachelor's degree, come along now. There is work to be done. And you have no choice.




Twoshoes -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 11:21:53 AM)

Why do they need to be under 5'5"?

I don't get it [sm=dunno.gif] and you're both taller and stronger than me...




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 11:27:46 AM)

So we don't have to stand on tippietoe when you blow us.  Obviously no bachelors degree in slavery.




RCdc -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 11:28:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Bravado
And you have no choice.


No one really does.[;)]





nancygirl34652 -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 11:31:21 AM)

i think we should ask a true kajira....*grins*

edited to add: more popcorn please!




poise -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 11:36:57 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Twoshoes

Why do they need to be under 5'5"?

I don't get it [sm=dunno.gif] and you're both taller and stronger than me...

Psssssst....Twoshoes, it's so someone can always look up to him. [;)]




odysseyIndeed -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:03:00 PM)

Ah, to be young again when I knew it all and mine was the only view that was right.




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:04:22 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEY4LxORCeo




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:06:58 PM)

Forgive me for having a height preference, apparently it's a fetish far too extreme for this forum. I should have known to censor such things!




odysseyIndeed -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:08:40 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEY4LxORCeo


Aww, that got me misty eyed




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:16:43 PM)

Ah, to be old someday when I may blatantly heckle those younger than myself with baseless insults based solely on difference of age. Truly a mark of the enlightened!




LadyPact -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:18:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bravado

Forgive me for having a height preference, apparently it's a fetish far too extreme for this forum. I should have known to censor such things!

You absolutely must see the irony of this.  Considering the original is based on your stance for an accurate definition of the term "true slavery", I do find it a bit funny that later you'll transpose the terms "preference" and "fetish".




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