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sexyred1 -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:20:15 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Hotch

I agree whole heartedly with the OP's observation. While I understand what people mean when they say "true slave", I think it's a very poor choice of words because unlike the other definitions that have been adopted and bastardized to fit within the context of BDSM, true slavery is still very alive and well in this day and age. There really should be a better term for someone who gives themselves over 100% to another within the confines of the lifestyle and with the expectation that they will be treated within the scope of their expectations.


Why is it a poor word choice? Everything in life, including here on Collarme is a matter of semantics and intent. Your definition is your definition, mine may differ. Why would you and the OP make a judgement on what consists someone viewing themselves through the lens of being a "true slave". So what?

Everything in life is marketing. You market yourself, your products, your ideas, your desires. Words are descriptors and descriptors are part of marketing.

Often, words have multiple definitions and the origin of a word may morph into a wholly new definition according the time it is being viewed in.

Slave in the historical sense meant one thing; a slave today in the human trafficking industry for example means another thing, similar perhas to the historical way.

Finally, a slave in the BDSM sense also has multiple meanings; one can be a physical slave, one can have slave tendencies and most definitely one can be a slave emotionally and soulfully.

As people and their desires vary, so do the words they use.

And no one can really judge who and what someone says or feels they are, unless of course, you are into projecting My Way is the ONLY True Way of looking/feeling/viewing/living life.

Edited because I forgot the use of the most important word: Consensual.




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:38:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bravado

I'm not so stupid as to believe that there are any "true slaves" among the privileged people in the world, so I expect that any sub will have some tangible needs and expectations. When they argue that they have no such needs and are ready to commit themselves to be permanent property, I wonder if they even realize that it is a lie.

If they knew what true slavery was, then they wouldn't be asking for it. If you have the audacity to claim it's something you enjoy and want me to show you what true slavery is, come along, I have plenty of stones to haul and a place to dump your body when you've died of exhaustion.

While I respect that a person may have fantasies, and would like to roleplay the kink of being a real slave, I'm sure I can't be the only one that is annoyed when he is approached by a girl who attempts to convince you that she's the traditional definition of a slave and ready to serve as though all other BDSM slaves are posers. I'm willing to believe that someone out there masturbates to the idea of building a pyramid in the desert for a decade of unrewarded effort until their demise, but I don't think that person is a young white girl who hasn't worked for a decade in any job, let alone something brutal and unforgiving.

Do you suppose these people know that they are lying, or have lost themselves in a delusional fantasy? Have you had any experience relevant to the idea of a "true slave?"

This topic was inspired by the recent news, in which many Nigerian slaves were discovered being trafficked, which is unfortunately fairly common. I have great pity for those people, and their plight makes me wonder how any could convince themselves that it's what they want.



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Based on how it is defined in defense, I would say that a "true slave" is something objectionable, disconcerting, and void of any reason to be happy or proud. And therefore anyone who claims to be a real slave, as opposed to the implied inferiority of a kinky sex slave, should be expected to cry for help rather than gloat.

I'm satisfied that while most disagree with the way that I articulated my opinion, the general consensus is in agreement. "True slave" is a silly phrase, means nothing with the added prefix, and is used among subscribers of BDSM solely as a way to brag in an effort to impress.

And again, I don't deny that there are slaves in BDSM. Sure, you can be a slave. To anything. To TV, to masturbating, to alcohol, to your job or schoolwork. It's a figurative or symbolic term to describe a commitment or seemingly inescapable circumstance. Adding the word "true" ahead of it merely makes it a more pretentious claim.

If I'm wrong, if any of you out there are true slaves, under 5'5, slender and busty, and have at least a bachelor's degree, come along now. There is work to be done. And you have no choice.


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Ah, to be old someday when I may blatantly heckle those younger than myself with baseless insults based solely on difference of age. Truly a mark of the enlightened!


The first two are e duo pluribus of heckling older than yourself with baseless insults based solely on difference of texture and nuance in two words...

Extraordinarily moreso enlightened, than all others, I should think.


LOL.

Ron  




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:39:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

You absolutely must see the irony of this.  Considering the original is based on your stance for an accurate definition of the term "true slavery", I do find it a bit funny that later you'll transpose the terms "preference" and "fetish".



Is it the word "irony" that confuses you, or "true?" Certainly the confusion of one of those two must have made you say such a silly thing.




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:43:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

The first two are e duo pluribus of heckling older than yourself with baseless insults based solely on difference of texture and nuance in two words...



Really, I didn't notice that I had specifically targeted people older than myself. In fact, I cannot seem to find any reference to age in the topic of this post. You have remarkable eyes, to have seen what isn't there. Or more accurately, an inventive imagination. Much like all those "true slaves" out there, I'm sure.




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:45:07 PM)

Dude, at twentyfive most of the folks here have fuckin shoes older than you that they wear every day and those shoes are in high dudgeon.

Or perhaps I am mistaken and you were casting as wide a net as the site to call people delusional, lying and so forth, based on your acute insights.




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:52:52 PM)

"Dude," get smart, not angry. ;)




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 12:55:30 PM)

dude, I am smart, and not angry. I am just out here telling it like it is, I really got no dog in this fight, I could give a good goddamn fuck what anyone does, I am here for blowjobs.

And you can quote me.  (*many have)




LadyPact -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:00:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bravado
Is it the word "irony" that confuses you, or "true?" Certainly the confusion of one of those two must have made you say such a silly thing.


Actually, it's My sense of humor.  Sorry you didn't get it.




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:02:10 PM)

"Dude," good luck getting blowjobs, you'll need it if you thought that this thread would win you any. Or maybe it will, by some generous and sympathetic lady (or man, if that is your preference) if you keep arguing!




myotherself -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:03:35 PM)

Ron - I blow for popcorn.

Salted, light on the butter.

I have my own kneepads.




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:06:10 PM)

LOL, my dick has been sucked more times than all the tootsie rolls sucked by all the delusional slaves in the world. You on the other hand are pretty sure not gonna get you no pussy  permanantly from here,  judging by the threads you have OPed here to date 




LadyNTrainer -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:07:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Bravado
Based on how it is defined in defense, I would say that a "true slave" is something objectionable, disconcerting, and void of any reason to be happy or proud. And therefore anyone who claims to be a real slave, as opposed to the implied inferiority of a kinky sex slave, should be expected to cry for help rather than gloat.


While I certainly do agree that the whole "Twue" thing is mostly used as an annoying way of bragging that I'm more kinkier than you, I think you're still missing the differentiation of someone who is a service-oriented submissive versus a kinky sex or fetish do-me bottom.  The former genuinely wants or even needs to please, serve and obey, while the latter just wants to get their rocks off in the specific way they enjoy.  Due to the proliferation of bratty, selfish do-me bottoms, it's not unusual for a service-oriented partner-pleaser to want to identify themselves as not being one of the assholes.   So I recommend cutting folks some slack if this is what they are actually trying to communicate. 











Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:09:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Actually, it's My sense of humor.  Sorry you didn't get it.



Apology accepted.




LadyPact -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:11:27 PM)

I'm actually not apologizing.  I still find it funny.




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:11:55 PM)

mnottertail, quality over quantity is my policy. Myself or most others could give you a run for your money should we lower our standards to near anything (do animals count???) but I'm not interested in competing, really!




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:14:14 PM)

now whos delerious and delusional?




HeidiAnn -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:16:39 PM)

This thread has been a fun read. I especially enjoyed reading the replies of CaringandReal and RedMagic1. :)

I'm positive there are people to whom slavery within the lifestyle is very real and true. As RedMagic1 pointed out there are couples who are so bound together that when one dies, the other one soon withers away. I have met people like that, and while I don't know how they defined their relationship, or how they felt about the binds that tied them together, I'm positive that the binds were there and were very real.

So, personally I think that even though we people share a great deal in common, we are still very different from others. And with that said, even though I *know* some things in this world to be impossible for me to do or to be, I still try to keep my mind open to the possibility that to someone else it might be very possible and very real. My personal capabilites in mentalization are in the end limited and there will always be things I can not fully understand in this world. That does not mean they are not true or real.

As for this particular topic, I know of households that have a slave and an owner, and I feel those relationships(?) to be very real and true. As for me personally, I don't think I could be "true" property to anyone in the way it has been defined in this thread. I (we) have a child, and his wellbeing defines the limits within what my other relationships work in.




Bravado -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:22:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

I'm actually not apologizing.  I still find it funny.


Really, that wasn't an honest apology? How deceitful of you. It had seemed to genuine to me.




Twoshoes -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:28:45 PM)

[Queue Commanding Voice]
Please play nice, younglings.
Otherwise, I will use my newly found status as a self-deprecating 23-year-old to bring you down to my level - a truly scary concept considering I literally have no self-respect whatsoever.

(My pride got thoroughly slaughtered somewhere between the time I peed in a bottle to avoid facing my father and my first visit to the unemployment office.)

Bravado, I wasn't judging you about your height preference. I was asking for an explanation (if that's not too personal), because I'd like to be able to relate to that preference. (It seems to me that you would have a much stronger physical presence than most women.)




mnottertail -> RE: True Slavery, a delusional roleplay. (9/30/2010 1:29:21 PM)

We have established at the outset you are not good with nuance.
It was indeed genuine, it was genuinely funny to her.




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