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What does this have to do with the Tea Party? Paladino is running as an "R" not a "T".

Popeye, if you read some things once in a while and listen to someone besides Howie Carr you might have discovered that he is endorsed by the teabaggers.

You might also discover that there is no Tea Party, it's just Republicans who think other Republicans aren't conservative enough.

But a Republican by any other name is still a Republican.

Even when they pretend they are Independents.


FOXNews.com - Tea Party-Backed Paladino Wins GOP Nomination

Lefty, read your post above.
What are you saying? Is there a Tea Party or is there not a Tea Party?
Must be a phantom that's got you so worried?

You know what tommorow is don'tcha? Oct 2 nd, one month to go before the voters strap the Democrats to the gurney and "put them to sleep."

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Lockedaway, Ted Kennedy didn't "flunk out" of Harvard he was thrown out for cheating.
And his nephew Joe (Congressman Mass D.) crippled a young girl in a rollover accident in his jeep then years later stopped sending the check.

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Lockedaway, Ted Kennedy didn't "flunk out" of Harvard he was thrown out for cheating.
And his nephew Joe (Congressman Mass D.) crippled a young girl in a rollover accident in his jeep then years later stopped sending the check.

That's terrible!

Maybe you guys can start a thread to detail all those evils of the Kennedys.

I'll have to double-check but I'm pretty sure this one isn't about them.

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Damn popeye, you are right.  He was thrown out for cheating.  Remember that other Kennedy relative that beat the girl to death with a golf club in Connecticut?  Anyway, thank you for the correction.

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Damn popeye, you are right.  He was thrown out for cheating.  Remember that other Kennedy relative that beat the girl to death with a golf club in Connecticut?  Anyway, thank you for the correction.

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Anyway...I don't know what "Teabagger Craziness" is.  The Tea Party movement seeks lower taxation, smaller federal government, increased state sovereignty, secure borders and energy independence.  If that is "craziness", I am a stark raving loon.  Remember the definition of patriotism; "Patriotism is the love of the IDEALS on which your country is founded."  The United States of America was founded on competition, not entitlements.  It was founded on state sovereignty not a strong central governement because the belief was that the average American has more in common with his State's government than with the Federal government and that redress of greivances was more likely to be successful on the local level.  I dunno...craziness?

By the way, when the U.S.A. was founded, the ideas expressed today by the Tea Party were referred to in the days of the Founders as "classical liberalism".  It is funny how words can get hijacked.

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This is what you wrote, right?  I don't want to waste too much time with this because your argument is specious.  More than specious, it is puerile.
1.  When you lower taxes, the governement takes in more revenue. 

2.  Smaller Federal Governement does not mean a smaller military because the U.S. armed forces was never relegated to the States....golly, that one was easy. 

3.  Secure borders.  snip snip snip

4.  Does the Tea Party want stricter insulation codes for houses?  F**k no!  yadda yadda yadda
Jesus Christ!!!!  Is that what you want?????????????????????????????????????????????????????  Is that the kind of government interference you are asking for?  You know how you get energy independence?  You drill for oil wherever you have it as you develop alternatives or synthetics.  You encourage people to install solar panels rather than allowing local governments to increase your property taxes because the solar panels are deemed an improvement. 

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OK, lets take these one at a time:

Lower taxation- So they want the government to collect less revenue? OK, if you say so. Just don't tell the Tea Partiers who are shrieking about the deficit killing your children.

Smaller federal government- So they want to reduce the size of the millitary? Or reduce the power of the government to imprison people without trials, spy on them without warrants or court oversight? Hot damn, I am right with you! But the Tea Partiers aren't.

Increased state soveriegnty- like what? Do they want California to be free to enact tougher emissions laws than the federal government? Or legalize marijuana? Um, not that I can tell.

Secure borders- So they want Meg Whitman arrested? They want the CEOs of Hormel meatpacking to be thrown in prison? Uh, not really. They do want to beat on Pablo though. So I give you that.

Energy independence- We can acheive energy independence within 20 years by conservation and alternative energy- does the Tea Party support stricter mileage standards for cars, increased insulation requirements for building codes, and investment in solar technology? Um, no. The Koch Brothers didn't make their fortune in clean energy, and they are not about to write checks to any group that does.


See, every single one of your Tea Party positions is contradicted by another Tea Party position. The Tea Party is not motivated by abstract policy or philosophical ideas; they are motivated by class and racial resentment and fear.

This is what you wrote, right?  I don't want to waste too much time with this because your argument is specious.  More than specious, it is puerile.
 
1.  When you lower taxes, the governement takes in more revenue.  That was the case when your hero, John F. Kennedy (who I thought was a lousy President), lowered taxes saying "A rising tide lifts all boats."  That was also the case under Reagan and under George W. Bush.  Those are somthing called "facts".  When you raise taxes, the economy shrinks.  I hope everyone understands that.  The rich people move more of their money into municipal bonds, which are triple tax free, or they move their money into off shore accounts or they leave the country altogether.  More people have renounced their U.S. citizenship in the last year than in the last ten years.  K?  Everything I have said can EASILY be googled and verified.  When you raise taxes on a corporation, the corporation only passes that expense onto the consumer.  The corporation is a fictional individual.  Many of our corporations have left just like Ross Perot said they would...the great sucking sound.  Know why?  Because our corporate tax rate is 35% and that is the highest in the world.  Now, when you raise taxes on middle America, which is what Obama will do by taxing people making over $250,000.00 (or he will do worse by letting the Bush tax cuts expire altogether), all you do is cause people to hold on to their money and not expand their businesses.  Mark my words; if the Bush tax cuts expire ON TOP OF collecting for Obama care, the government's unemployment figure will be 13% by the end of March 2011.
 
2.  Smaller Federal Governement does not mean a smaller military because the U.S. armed forces was never relegated to the States....golly, that one was easy.  BUT...welfare should be a state function.  Education should be a state function with a very minimal amount of Federal subsidy.  States SHOULD have the ability to regulate tougher emission laws because the Fed regulations are a floor, not a ceiling and then it would be up to the corporation to decide which State is better suited for their industry.  As it is, the best State appears to be Mexico.  H.U.D. should be eliminated altogether...the Federal Government should have no right to dictate to the States where they build project housing.  Project housing should be mandated but it should be totally a State function.  These are just a couple of things...there are thousands.  Remember what the Constitution said that any power not specificaly give to the Federal government is reserved to the States. 
 
3.  Secure borders.  "So you want Meg Whitman arrested?"  That is where your argument turned juvenile.  The actions of Meg Whitman, or any individual, do not dictate what happens over 2,000 miles of border.  She hired and illegal immigrant AFTER doing the best due diligence she could do.  Dumb argument.  The border has to be secured and the negative impact that it has to any corporation must be absorbed by that corporation.  Some corporations will fail but any corporation that exists predominantly because of an illegal business practice should not be in business anyway.  Here is an adult argument; would determines the property boundaries of your house?  It is called a metes and bounds description.  K?  Would you allow someone to come onto your front yard, dig a hole for a latrine, pup a tent and just live there?  No, of course not.  It is a ridiculous idea.  Why would you allow that to happen to your country?  A country without borders is not a country....it is a LAND MASS.
 
4.  Does the Tea Party want stricter insulation codes for houses?  F**k no!  Why?  Because they are NOT STUPID.  If you pass stricter codes for houses, what happens to the secondary housing market?  Ok...try to figure this out.  The governement says "ok local home owner, on this 100 year old house, you need a certain rating of shingle on the roof, a certain boiler in your basement and you must remove those antique, wooden shash windows with the wavey glass and put in replacement windows."  Now, in order to sell that home, the homeowner has to invest $75,000.00 or he will not get a Certificate of Occupancy to sell the home.  He won't be able to increase the home's cost because all homes have to be up to that standard and so he didn't improve anything.  Jesus Christ!!!!  Is that what you want?????????????????????????????????????????????????????  Is that the kind of government interference you are asking for?  You know how you get energy independence?  You drill for oil wherever you have it as you develop alternatives or synthetics.  You encourage people to install solar panels rather than allowing local governments to increase your property taxes because the solar panels are deemed an improvement.  There is a lot that can be done to incentivize without increasing the Orwellian nature of the soft tyranny that we are currently living under.
 
I hope you are satisfied.  I spent waaaay too long on this and I didn't even really get started.  But let that be a lesson to you bright people.  Whenever anyone makes a "bumper sticker" argument, you are going to have to write volumes to de-bunk it.

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Anyway...I don't know what "Teabagger Craziness" is.  The Tea Party movement seeks lower taxation, smaller federal government, increased state sovereignty, secure borders and energy independence.  If that is "craziness", I am a stark raving loon.  Remember the definition of patriotism; "Patriotism is the love of the IDEALS on which your country is founded."

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Anyway...I don't know what "Teabagger Craziness" is.  The Tea Party movement seeks lower taxation, smaller federal government, increased state sovereignty, secure borders and energy independence.  If that is "craziness", I am a stark raving loon.  Remember the definition of patriotism; "Patriotism is the love of the IDEALS on which your country is founded."

Carl Paladino, Christine O'Donnell, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Glenn Beck, etc..

If you want crazy people as the face of your patriotic movement then yes, you are a stark raving loon, just like this group of whack jobs.

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Mwuahhhhhhhhhhhhhh I hate to disapoint..
But it wasnt really worth the time to even respond with any argument,debate or even condescension...
regurgitated pap is regurgitated pap even from an old voice..

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N.Y. governor candidate threatens to ‘take out’ reporter


On Wednesday night, New York GOP gubernatorial nominee Carl Paladino had some choice words for the New York Post's state editor, Fred Dicker, that could have been pulled from a "Sopranos" script.

"You send another goon to my daughter's house," Paladino said, "and I'll take you out, buddy!"

Paladino erupted when Dicker approached the candidate before a business confab and asked him for evidence to back up his claims that Democratic nominee Andrew Cuomo had been unfaithful years ago to his then-wife. Paladino responded that he had evidence but that the reporter wouldn't get it until "the appropriate time."

The candidate also shot back at Dicker over the Post's recent coverage of Suzanne Brady, a woman with whom he had an extramarital affair, and their 10-year-old daughter.