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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 4:01:16 AM   
Rule


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ORIGINAL: Gauge

I will ask this just one time... please, in the quotes below, show me where I haven't asked you to disprove the proven.

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What I want you to do is to show me evidence from an unbiased source that refutes the clear, concise hard proof of the day's events.


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 You need to convince me that the conspiracy exists. I do not need to acquiesce to the thin shreds of "proof" that you offer. You cannot impeach the clear evidence. 


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 You are asking me to take the conspiracy theory and validate it in clear dichotomy to hard evidence. 

Those are quotes from respectively posts 73, 73 and 75. Those were not the original challenge. The original challenge was given in post 67:

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
Offer tangible proof. Proof that removes doubt. ... Because you have some mysterious theories and half truths based on a manipulation of facts does not obligate me to believe you. ... It means that everything that can be documented, proven, evaluated, analyzed and dissected offers proof that things happened the way the government and independent agencies said they did. 

prove what you are saying is true. Claims of conspiracy when the overwhelming evidence points to the contrary are just silly.

Nowhere in this quote did you ask me to disprove the "proven".
Instead your original challenge asked - or strongly suggested to be asking - for proof of claims of a conspiracy.

As for all the evidence "documented, proven, evaluated, analyzed and dissected", it means nothing if most of it is provided by set ups, perjuring witnesses, plants after the deed, and officials that are accomplices in the crime.

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
All I am asking for is for you to disprove everything that has been documented.

Everything? You want me to disprove in a handful of sentences everything that thousands of people have spent twenty years and at least hundreds of millions of dollars to fabricate? Everything? Calling what you ask for unreasonable strikes me as an understatement. Everything?

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ORIGINAL: Gauge
You cannot point to a gap and say, "SEE???? CONSPIRACY!!!!!" and expect me to think that you have proven your claim.

Oh, yes I can and I can and I have. If the assertion is that all chickens lay only white eggs, all that is needed to disprove the assertion is only one egg that is not white lain by a chicken. The gap I pointed at was randomly chosen. Do you understand what that means? It means that the official 9/11 story is flimsy and that any randomly poked finger will find a gap in the fabric(ation).

I expect many of those gaps to disappear in the next years. We already have been nearly five years in the mopping up phase of the conspiracy. Websites pointing at gaps and other discrepancies appear to be disappearing, as are biased and unbiased witnesses. Incriminating second-hand books may be bought up and be destroyed. In fact this very thread may be part of a mopping up operation, used to identify evidence, websites and people that need to be removed. 

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 6:26:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Rule...your dedication to the 'truth has prompted me to admit the facts....You are in fact 100% correct, there was no plane that hit the WTC1 or the pentagon...in fact there was no plane that hit WTC2 either......that is because the pentagon and the world trade center never existed and anybody who claims otherwise is lying through their teeth.
The War in Iraq is all part of the hoax as well, you see a group of jews and freemasons in the British Government (along with certain shadowy and un named groups based in Geneva) actually invented the entire Middle east back in the late 1400s. The world actually ends just east of Vienna, but in order to dupe the people, they had to fabricate Asia...it really isn't there, and all the "Chinese" are actually just planted agents in on the plot.
The reason for the whole "world beyond Vienna" plot was originally to drive up the price of silk (actually manufactured in Manchester, in a secret underground complex) and tea (grown along the fiords of Norway). It prooved a very valuable tool however, when, in 1732, Gaston Du Tanquary of Zurich came up with the brilliant idea of "Islam"...a competing hostile religion to focus everybody's hatred on.
Granted this elaboration required a massive rewriting of history, and the reducation (through mind control drugs distrbuted in wine), and the elimination of several thousand people inconveniently in the know (died fighting the "Turk" wink*wink). However the potential for manipulating the masses was just too great, it was worth the effort, as witnessed by the fact that they are still using the basic "islam" premise to fool people today.
The evidence to proove this?    well just answer me this: have you ever spoken to Anwar Sadat?   I thought not....compelling evidence indeed. I have a lot more, and would be happy to share it with you, if you are interested, just visit my website, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.php where you can buy my latest DVD on this and other vital information they don't want you to know.
Now stop telling these people the truth, as I suspect you are right about this thread actually being a sting operation by the FBI.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 7:24:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		*admiring sigh* Arpig, you are talented. If you have ever published a book, please tell me, because I would like to put it on my "to buy and read list".

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 9:22:41 AM   
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Rule...your dedication to the 'truth has prompted me to admit the facts....You are in fact 100% correct, there was no plane that hit the WTC1 or the pentagon...in fact there was no plane that hit WTC2 either......that is because the pentagon and the world trade center never existed and anybody who claims otherwise is lying through their teeth.
The War in Iraq is all part of the hoax as well, you see a group of jews and freemasons in the British Government (along with certain shadowy and un named groups based in Geneva) actually invented the entire Middle east back in the late 1400s. The world actually ends just east of Vienna, but in order to dupe the people, they had to fabricate Asia...it really isn't there, and all the "Chinese" are actually just planted agents in on the plot.
The reason for the whole "world beyond Vienna" plot was originally to drive up the price of silk (actually manufactured in Manchester, in a secret underground complex) and tea (grown along the fiords of Norway). It prooved a very valuable tool however, when, in 1732, Gaston Du Tanquary of Zurich came up with the brilliant idea of "Islam"...a competing hostile religion to focus everybody's hatred on.
Granted this elaboration required a massive rewriting of history, and the reducation (through mind control drugs distrbuted in wine), and the elimination of several thousand people inconveniently in the know (died fighting the "Turk" wink*wink). However the potential for manipulating the masses was just too great, it was worth the effort, as witnessed by the fact that they are still using the basic "islam" premise to fool people today.
The evidence to proove this?    well just answer me this: have you ever spoken to Anwar Sadat?   I thought not....compelling evidence indeed. I have a lot more, and would be happy to share it with you, if you are interested, just visit my website, http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.php where you can buy my latest DVD on this and other vital information they don't want you to know.
Now stop telling these people the truth, as I suspect you are right about this thread actually being a sting operation by the FBI.    ARPIG


 
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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 10:41:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not directed to any particular individual, but I stumbled across this video this morning while reading another 9/11 conspiracy-debunking thread.

It might be interesting to people who've wondered why there wasn't more wreckage of the aircraft that hit the Pentagon (or United 93 in Pennsylvania, for that matter) -- it shows what happens to an airplane traveling 500 mph when it hits a concrete and steel-reinforced wall.

The phrase "atomized into dust" is used.



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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 11:47:36 AM   
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The phrase "atomized into dust" is used.


Yeah, but where is the dust? There was never any proof of dust. It didn't exist. Just like the Pentagon... that doesn't exist either.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 1:26:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah, here we have Mr. Smarty Pants, also known as AgendaSinger754.  What a fine reserved answer you give to my post.  I'm an obvious Commie eh?  LMAO.  When in doubt, sling mud.  As a matter of fact, I founded and was elected President of the Young Republicans back in the day, and we helped get one elected.  Since then I've learned that there really isn't much difference between the two Corporate Parties, and that the magic is doubled when we give lip service to the idea that there is.  Now then MrEngineerAgendaSinger754, where are your comments about the Put Options taken out the summer before the Black Operations/shenanigans?  You so boldly affronted my comments about the engineering angle that I read but am not an expert on, so where's your answer on the money trail?  Also you must have done your homework on controlled demolitions vs. non-controlled demolitions, since I noticed your fine commentary on that as well.  Where is your Polyinstantiated reply about that?  I can't wait to hear it (puts mud repellent on).  Also so you'll know, yes I am privy to quite a bit of NORAD's methods.  What people need to realize is that the wars that followed 9/11 aren't only about expansion of empire and resource grabs, but also about spending US taxpayer money and blood to fight on behalf of the Israelis.  And as long as the US taxplayer will spring for it, why the hell not?  Shhhhh.  Don't tell anyone, but I'm just a red-blooded tax-paying American-born Commie!    

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 1:28:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yeah, but that hologram of it you can see from Rt. 27 is SO real-looking!

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 1:52:19 PM   
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Yeah, but that hologram of it you can see from Rt. 27 is SO real-looking!


That is just what THEY want you to think! Wait... You have seen it? You must be one of THEM. Or maybe you aren't one of THEM maybe you are one of the thousands that the government is going to eliminate because you know something... or you think you know something, or you thought you know something, or you think that you thought that you think you saw something... maybe, but you aren't sure. Oh well, THEY can't take that chance. I hope you are not allergic to loud noises. Maybe it would be best to have someone else start your car for you. Someone that THEY will think is you.

Shhhhhh.... THEY are listening and watching. In fact, I am not typing. Actually, I don't exist... that is what I want THEM to think.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/26/2006 3:46:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		My cover is blown.  Now I have to kill you.  If only you existed.

Actually, I think the Church of Scientology masterminded the whole conspiracy.  THEY are trying to scramble our brains.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/27/2006 12:53:20 AM   
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Tom Cruse did it~
 
 
 
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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/27/2006 1:45:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		There is no such date as 9/11 so its all a mute point right?

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/27/2006 11:17:04 AM   
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There is no such date as 9/11 so its all a mute point right?   MsMacComb

 
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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/27/2006 2:01:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		I find it interesting and not-so coincidental that you brought up hurricane Katrina.  Katrina and Ivan were the most devastating hurricanes to come out in a long time, and Ivan was the first hurricane to survive inland with destructive power all the way from Florida through Alabama, GA, NC, VA, WV, PA, and NY.  When you understand how things are polyinstantiated (a word every American needs to google and understand) you'll understand that a certain % of the population will say "Oh that's God's way of telling us we need to be careful with the Earth" or "Oh that's God's way of punishing us for something", while another segment of the population says "We're seeing trends that storms are becoming more powerful.  We BELIEVE this is due to global warming", while still another smaller element of the population understands what SCALAR technology is.  When you google exact phrase SCALAR TECHNOLOGY and read a bit, you'll giggle when you understand that Ivan and Katrina are both Russian names, in tribute to the scientific advances we learned from them.  Read up on it, and don't give up on the idea that our world has the potential to be run without corruption. 

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/27/2006 2:25:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, not to argue with you Mistress, what I actually communicated was that I watched a discussion where a Clemson professor described the engineering necessity to use military Thermite for the controlled collapse of the towers, not that no airplane hit the towers.  The Clemson professor did not suggest that no planes hit the towers, but rather his point was that with the heat of the jet fuel's explosion alone, even burning for over an hour, would not have been enough to bring down the towers.  Several people, like AgendaSinger754 keep twisting my words in an effort to prove I'm lying.  Google POLYINSTANTIATION and SCALAR TECHNOLOGY (exact phrase) to help understand this.  Polyinstantiation is kind of like 2005's actual Word Of The Year--truthiness.  Polyinstantiation is where you get some truth, but its not the whole truth, because the whole truth is not your level of clearance.  An example of this is when Bush and Cheney went behind closed doors to talk about different topics with certain media.  Yes they talked to them, but only on the premise that neither had to go under oath.  When you hear something on the news, its already been filtered by the military and 'national security' censors so that 'sensitive' information doesn't get out.  Its very reminiscent of the Enron School Of Accounting.  The Scalar Technology will help you understand about Katrina and Ivan. 


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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/27/2006 2:31:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Pretty intresting video Polux, thank You for posting it....

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/28/2006 4:03:56 AM   
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I expect many of those gaps to disappear in the next years. We already have been nearly five years in the mopping up phase of the conspiracy. Websites pointing at gaps and other discrepancies appear to be disappearing, as are biased and unbiased witnesses. Incriminating second-hand books may be bought up and be destroyed. In fact this very thread may be part of a mopping up operation, used to identify evidence, websites and people that need to be removed.


It's futile, the resources aren't there yet. Give it more time and let more information flow out, then maybe Noam Chomsky and Amy Goodwin will help open the curtains - Until then... you're doomed.



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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/28/2006 6:48:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		It couldn't possibly be that the websites are disappearing and the books are second-hand because they have no substance whatsoever and no one's reading them anymore.  And the owners of the websites have had their fun and don't feel like paying for the website anymore.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/28/2006 7:46:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		It happens when you click on a website that you have googled, that appears to have pertinent information, that you get redirected to another website that in one way or another says: "fooled you". I remember hitting on a website that after redirection showed either the rear end of a camel or a chimp sticking its tongue out. Somebody is having fun making essential information inaccessible.
 
I have thought of other reasons for denial of a conspiracy: wanting to feel safe, not wanting to admit to oneself of having been wrong.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/28/2006 1:04:25 PM   
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