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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/28/2006 1:51:27 PM

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That's tautologic.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 6:17:36 AM

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Snopes.com
Popular Mechanics
Scientific American

& Maxim Magazine have all debunked every conspiracy theory having to do with 11 September.

Maxim Magazine, you know that bastion of right wing neocon soft core porn, has debunked these bullshit theories.

How the hell could anyone cover up events this big? Hell Nixon couldn't even get away with a simple burglary, and you expect us to believe that the U.S. government brought down the WTC, attacked the Pentagon, and killed over 3,000 people, for the oil in the middle east, and those dreaded Jews?

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 6:59:30 AM

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It happens when you click on a website that you have googled, that appears to have pertinent information, that you get redirected to another website that in one way or another says: "fooled you". I remember hitting on a website that after redirection showed either the rear end of a camel or a chimp sticking its tongue out. Somebody is having fun making essential information inaccessible.

If that is true, then I'd love to see an example of a link that does that! For you see, I know what happened. Warring factions of the Illuminati, specifically ELF (the Erisian Liberation Front) and the Pastafarians have both been trying to illuminitize the Eschaton. The plane into the pentagon was meant to break the containment field on the great evil spirit that has been kept there since the late 40's, when the US captured it as part of an earlier conflict between Illuminati factions. However, while the plane was able to breach the first, second and third physical layers, the metaphysical and magickal protections prevented further penetration. The hope was that the demon, escaping from its containment field, combined with the massive deaths from the World Trade Centers collapse, would create enough death-force energy to allow several key leaders to undergo transcendental transformation, becoming higher-energy planar creatures. The plot was foiled by a dedicated group of Shamans, who aided by mystics with ForeSight knew what was going to happen, and spent the moments right after the attack in a desperate ritual to contain both areas. Coordination between the Native American Shamans and European Wiccans (whose primary goal was to maintain containment on the creature in the Pentagon) and South American tribal Witch Doctors and their counterparts among the Eskimo, certain Central African Tribesmen, and Hindu Fakirs focused on containing the towers. The heat that fed the fire that led to the collapse was a direct result of magickal energies being diverted and grounded through the superstructure of the building, and was an unfortunate choice between dooming the people in the building that could get out with the hundreds of thousands in the surrounding area that could have died had the towers collapsed in a different way.
So, thanks to the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the loss of life was minimized (A demon running rampant in Washington DC would have taken out tens of thousands of people, and a few representatives of government.). At that moment, we were all truly touched by his noodly appendage!

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 7:02:09 AM

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Snopes.com
Popular Mechanics
Scientific American

& Maxim Magazine have all debunked every conspiracy theory having to do with 11 September.

So have the PBS program NOVA, Purdue University, and the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

I suppose they're all in on it, though.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 7:20:03 AM

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If that is true, then I'd love to see an example of a link that does that!

It has been about half a year since I stumbled on those sites, so unfortunately I do not remember where I found them.

As to your occult revelation, I am sorry to admit that I am not qualified to judge the truth of that. I wish you the best, though.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 7:52:40 AM

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Snopes.com
Popular Mechanics
Scientific American

& Maxim Magazine have all debunked every conspiracy theory having to do with 11 September.

Maxim Magazine, you know that bastion of right wing neocon soft core porn, has debunked these bullshit theories.

Good for them. Then it must be true, mustn't it?

Every conspiracy theory? Have you verified that? Also, have you verified the theories and the debunking?

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How the hell could anyone cover up events this big?

By being even bigger?

If one has tens of billions of dollars to spend, nearly everything can be covered up. A tiny bit of that money would buy a lot of debunking scientists, wouldn't it?

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you expect us to believe that the U.S. government brought down the WTC, attacked the Pentagon, and killed over 3,000 people

I have never asked anyone to believe anything. Where have I asked that? Are you confused?

I was asked to provide evidence of proof of a conspiracy and I did. Some people, though, would rather live contentedly with the illusion of the lie of the official story than with the disillusion and dissatisfaction of the horrendous truth and therefore rejected this evidence out of hand.

Anyone who wants to know the truth has to verify the facts and the theories himself in so far as he is able to and/or qualified. If unable to or not qualified, he should not form an opinion on the matter at all, nor believe anyone - like the government or the scientists in their pockets - that presents him such an interpretation.

Since you prefer belief over evidence, I presume that you are not qualified to judge the evidence, nor to discern the truth.

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for the oil in the middle east, and those dreaded Jews?

I have never said that. Why do you assert that I did? Are you confused?

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 7:57:31 AM

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Well, if one good thing had to come out of this thread, it's good to see that we really have some funny and talented comedy writers in here

Thanks for the laughs, especially Arpig, andal, MistyMenthal, Slavehandsome....and the others, but I only searched back 2 pages. Gotta make a bathroom run.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 10:33:02 AM

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If that is true, then I'd love to see an example of a link that does that!

It has been about half a year since I stumbled on those sites, so unfortunately I do not remember where I found them.

This particular example was not related to 9/11, though.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 1:53:57 PM

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Something I just read on the internet.

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a serious disconfirmation, ... , leads not to the believer discarding the belief, but to believing it more strongly, and often increasing his or her spiritual devotion. Dr Robert Glick, head of the Columbia Center for Psychoanalytic Training and Research, calls belief systems “societal pain relievers”, and it might be that renewed and increased belief is like having an extra aspirin when the pain increases due to evidence of one’s foolishness.

It can be the case that contradictory evidence can even strengthen the original belief.

I wonder how many 'believers' in either the government story about 9/11 or in conspiracy theories about 9/11 recognize themselves in this description?

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 7:41:33 PM

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Furthermore, the man who owned those two buildings took out what's known as a "Put Option" on the TC's. A Put Option is a Wall Street term for a financial move that speculates that something will happen that hurts the company. If the company does in fact get hurt, someone profits from the hugely speculative odds of it happening. That man was not the only person who happened to take Put Options on the TC in the summer of 2001, but in fact over 1000 entities took Put Options on the TCs.

Um...sorry...but the World Trade Center was/is owned by the New York Port Authority. This is a government entity. The two main towers were not companies, with a single owner, that could be traded on a stock exchange.

The Federal Trade Commission could roll back the tickertape and identify the entities who took out those Put Options, however the FTC knows that it would not be in the best interests of those who profited to do so.

If this was a all a stock market manipulation, it would be the Securities and Exchange Commission.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/29/2006 8:11:03 PM

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So have the PBS program NOVA, Purdue University, and the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

I suppose they're all in on it, though.

NOVA is famous for its bias and its ability to sell its opinions to the highest bidder. Why, the other day, I saw something on penguins. You know those lying bastards said that the penguins live in temperatures like -80 and that is without the wind-chill? Nothing can live in that weather... and I refuse to believe that they can. I must admit though, the penguins looked real, and so did the ice and snow. But in the background of one pictures I saw a gunman on a grassy knoll and another guy with a missile launcher that had a sticker on it that read, "Pentagon or Bust!" Of course NOVA quickly changed the camera angle to show a penguin being eaten by a sea lion... but I know what I saw. Honest. I know others saw it too. PBS is sending me messages through Sesame Street... Mr. Rogers was a CIA plant that recruited young children to be raised in covert military camps and turned into super assassins. Don't even get me started on the Electric Company. Kermit and Miss Piggy... nevermind... you don't want to know.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 5:51:27 AM

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I have a question---I read in Tasha's post ( damn good pic too doll!)---that the WTC is owned by the NY Port authority---ok being from New Orleans, our WTC is considered "international territory" or at least " an international trade free zone"---ok put the flame throwers away--ok Im asking---is it international---I know when I was a NOPD we had little of any jurisdiction in that building- ( then known as the International Trade Center_-hence the ability for Clay Shaw to use covert operations in the 60's for Cuban operations---so are the WTC's US or World territory regardless of who owns the building, what is it declared?

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 6:32:13 AM

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Why, the other day, I saw something on penguins. You know those lying bastards said that the penguins live in temperatures like -80 and that is without the wind-chill? Nothing can live in that weather... and I refuse to believe that they can. I must admit though, the penguins looked real, and so did the ice and snow. But in the background of one pictures I saw a gunman on a grassy knoll and another guy with a missile launcher that had a sticker on it that read, "Pentagon or Bust!" Of course NOVA quickly changed the camera angle to show a penguin being eaten by a sea lion... but I know what I saw. Honest. I know others saw it too.

Guage, you have to learn to pay closer attention. I saw that show too. There was a glaring error that proved the whole show was just a bunch of BS...I don't know how you could have missed it, maybe you were in the bathroom or something. It said that after the female penguin lays the eggs that the male penguins sit on them until they hatch. This takes about 170 days! In those freezing subzero temperatures and they don't move or eat. They are so committed that sometimes they freeze to death. After that they have a 70 mile trip to go to get food. Well, when they said all of that it was just a dead give away. We all know that you could never find a male that would sit still for 170 days without food....much less walk any farther than his tv remote is capable of sending a signal. The crap they expect us to believe....sheesh!!!!

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 7:02:10 AM

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AHA! So a conspiracy running amock in the penguin world I see! Good gawd what's next?

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 7:56:02 AM

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I read in Tasha's post ( damn good pic too doll!)---that the WTC is owned by the NY Port authority

Tasha is correct, but it's not as simple. The conspiracy is based on the fact that 99 year leasing rights for the Towers and 2 other buildings passed onto a NY developer Larry Silverstein in April 2001. He already owned Building 7 and the nearby Equitable Building. He covered all the 'Siverstein Property' controlled buildings with Terrorist coverage. In case anyone's forgotten the Towers were subjected to a previous attempt to take them down. Many high profile buildings had to add terrorist coverage at that point because insurance companies, never ones who payout claims willingly, excluded terrorist attack, similar to 'act of war/god' language, from their standard property policy. Think of it this way, if you live nearby a river that floods or a ocean subject to regular storms you can not buy flood insurance from an insurance company, or damage due to flooding is excluded. The US Government is the actual insurance company for flood insurance, paying an insurance company to be the program's third party administrator.

(Boring insurance background now concluded, we return to the original intent of the post.)

Since the attack on the towers, his controlling interest in the lease was the primary cause construction was not begun until last Thursday. He sued, and won, in the courts siting that he was entitled to twice the insurance policy value because the two hijacked planes hitting into two different towers was separate 'occurrences'.

As quoted from the site referenced:

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To put these events in perspective, imagine that a person leases an expensive house, and immediately takes out an insurance policy covering the entire value of the house and specifically covering bomb attacks. Six weeks later two bombs go off in the house, separated by an hour. The house burns down, and the lessor immediately sues the insurance company to pay him twice the value of the house, and ultimately wins. The lessor also gets the city to dispose of the wreckage, excavate the site, and help him build a new house on the site. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/background/owners.html

btw - The quote comes from a 'conspiracy' site. Coincidently (?) you can purchase their 9-11 "Research Book" if you are so inclined.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 8:35:42 AM

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I was asked to provide evidence of proof of a conspiracy and I did.

You did?...Damn I must have mssed that post...

Sorry Rule...but you have yet to offer any evidence of any proof...all you have done is claim that certain nonexistant "gaps" in the evudence constitutes said proof. Unfortunatly for your position, the fact that the "gaps" in the evidence you site are in fact nonexistant, your entire position falls apart.

I will admit that it is possible, and also highly, HIGHLY implausable, that the US Gvt was involved in some way....I have, so far, seen absolutely no proof or evidence of it. Not in your posts or on any of the websites to which links have been provided.

While you clearly do have a sense of humour, you have convinved yourself, and when asked for any sort of facts to back up your conclusion, you, and the other posters who support your basic premise, have failed to provide any....you will just have to forgive us for believing that no such facts exist.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 11:11:52 AM

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Guage, you have to learn to pay closer attention. I saw that show too. There was a glaring error that proved the whole show was just a bunch of BS...I don't know how you could have missed it, maybe you were in the bathroom or something. It said that after the female penguin lays the eggs that the male penguins sit on them until they hatch. This takes about 170 days! In those freezing subzero temperatures and they don't move or eat. They are so committed that sometimes they freeze to death. After that they have a 70 mile trip to go to get food. Well, when they said all of that it was just a dead give away. We all know that you could never find a male that would sit still for 170 days without food....much less walk any farther than his tv remote is capable of sending a signal. The crap they expect us to believe....sheesh!!!!

Erin, Erin, Erin, Erin... how completely silly of you to buy into that obvious red herring so blatantly waved in your face. You have never called for delivery food? You think these male penguins don't know about that? And the Northern Lights... that is better than TV. I am not saying that you are wrong, but all you point to is a gap in the evidence and yell, "CONSPIRACY!" You truly have let me down. I thought you were more on the ball. THEY have gotten to you.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 11:17:26 AM

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I was asked to provide evidence of proof of a conspiracy and I did.

You did?...Damn I must have mssed that post...
Sorry Rule...but you have yet to offer any evidence of any proof...all you have done is claim that certain nonexistant "gaps" in the evudence constitutes said proof. Unfortunatly for your position, the fact that the "gaps" in the evidence you site are in fact nonexistant, your entire position falls apart.

Arpig, methinks we are having our chain pulled at this point. There is no way anyone can be this committed to a conspiracy theory and continue to dodge the questions offered without admitting that they are fighting an uphill battle in light of solid, tested evidence.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 2:20:59 PM

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all you have done is claim that certain nonexistant "gaps" in the evudence constitutes said proof.

What gaps were those? I ask because I am unsure what you are referring to, so please define them.

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RE: Sept. 911 Rare footage. What really happened at the... - 4/30/2006 5:40:35 PM

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Geez guys, give it up already.

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