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thatsub -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 10:29:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
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Informal poll time.  Shall I reply politely (generally in the negative) and see what happens?  Or be less polite to the ones who deserve less politeness and see what happens?


I am really curious if they start being rude to you if you reply politely that you are not interested. I also wonder if it will make difference if you tell them about their mistakes, will that specifically make them respond in a rude way.





LadyPact -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 10:36:13 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
Informal poll time.  Shall I reply politely (generally in the negative) and see what happens?  Or be less polite to the ones who deserve less politeness and see what happens?


My question for you is, how much are you willing to take?  You and I both know how electronically abusive this can get.  I would suggest you doing whichever is going to subject you to less issues.




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 10:38:53 AM)

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ORIGINAL: thatsub

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer
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Informal poll time.  Shall I reply politely (generally in the negative) and see what happens?  Or be less polite to the ones who deserve less politeness and see what happens?


I am really curious if they start being rude to you if you reply politely that you are not interested. I also wonder if it will make difference if you tell them about their mistakes, will that specifically make them respond in a rude way.



This is kind of what I'm talking about..She's already showing signs of overreacting to the offer and these guys aren't doing any of the hateful things we hear so much about..Granted this is a small fraction of people to take from.

I personally think the majority of it is over dramatization of what really happened.




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 10:43:09 AM)

This female contacted me and she was clearly not my type...Like OMG becky! Did you look at her butt!




PeonForHer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 10:58:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

Shall I reply politely (generally in the negative) and see what happens?  Or be less polite to the ones who deserve less politeness and see what happens?



I got your message - for which, thanks - and have replied.  I  see that you're now covering the matter related to a question I've asked you in my reply!

I have another of my little hypotheses about this matter of polite refusals leading to nastier responses than no refusal - indeed no response - at all.  This is that there's some psychological mechanism that works the same way as it does in the standardly-recommended tactic for dealing with stalkers:  you say nothing, you give them nothing that is 'human' that they can attack.  It'll feel pointless to them. 






LadyNTrainer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:10:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
This is kind of what I'm talking about..She's already showing signs of overreacting to the offer and these guys aren't doing any of the hateful things we hear so much about..Granted this is a small fraction of people to take from.


I've had the profile up for only a few minutes, and so far nobody's sent anything all that crude.  But yes, I do personally find what has been sent so far pretty depressing.


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I personally think the majority of it is over dramatization of what really happened.


Do you?  Try imagining yourself living and working in an exclusively gay district.  You're not going to be interested in any of the offers you might get, but you figure it should be easy to blow them off.  No big deal, right?   You don't want any dick, and it'll get annoying if dick keeps being shoved in your face, but you figure you can deal and not overreact too much.

You do want to make friends in your new town, so you start talking with people about stuff you're interested in.  Sports, hiking, news and politics, your favorite hobby, etc.  Whatever actually does interest you.  But almost every single time you try to start a conversation, the guy talking to you totally ignores everything you actually said and propositions you.  Generally he does it in a way that makes it clear that he was not listening to a word you said.  You might have even been talking about how much you love your wife, but the first thing out of his mouth after you finish talking is, "Hi, are you single? I'm single, and I'm interested."  Or you might have been talking about your experiences in Alcoholics Anonymous, but when you get done talking, he asks if you guys can go to a bar for a drink and to get to know each other better.

It is nearly impossible to have a normal human conversation with any of these people you try to relate to.  They ignore everything you say and any overtures of friendship, but they keep trying to talk to you solely for the purpose of getting sex or kinky play.  Nobody wants to talk to you as a person or cares what you have to say.  They ignore everything you actually say, but they ask if you want to date them or have sex with them.  Many of them are not all that explicit in their propositions, but some of them are, and a few get really aggressive and angry when you say no. 

Years of this go by, and this is the standard treatment you get from almost everyone in this town you try to communicate with socially. After awhile, how do you think this would impact you? 

I can tell you that it did impact me.  If you think it's no big deal, I really do wish you the opportunity to walk a mile in these moccasins and see how it feels.  I don't know if you actually can know how it feels, since it's unlikely that you will have the experience of being essentially dehumanized and socially ignored while being pursued for sex.  That's what it feels like to me to be a woman on an adult site with an A/S/L search function.




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:15:24 AM)

Do you need a tissue? Poor soul. You have it so rough...Let's do a chant together..Dicks go away..DICKS go away...DICKS GO AWAY!

Now click your heels and suck it up, buttercup.

I suggest if things are that bad...Just give up. I suspect though your being a drama queen.




PeonForHer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:17:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyNTrainer

I've had the profile up for only a few minutes, and so far nobody's sent anything all that crude.  But yes, I do personally find what has been sent so far pretty depressing.


Hey, I thought the deal was that you weren't going to look at it? 




LadyHibiscus -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:21:53 AM)

wow, LnT, you've encapsulated the on line femdom experience!




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:24:01 AM)

Hello...My name is Icarys and da wimmens are so rude to me....They is trying to get some dix and I is not havin its

{Cry} I just want to bee loveded fo my mynd!




PeonForHer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:29:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys

Do you need a tissue? Poor soul. You have it so rough...Let's do a chant together..Dicks go away..DICKS go away...DICKS GO AWAY!

Now click your heels and suck it up, buttercup.

I suggest if things are that bad...Just give up. I suspect though your being a drama queen.



Jesus Christ, Icarys - you just posted about the general level of nastiness on these forums.  Now you've just added a great big dollop to that level. 




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:34:52 AM)

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Jesus Christ, Icarys - you just posted about the general level of nastiness on these forums. Now you've just added a great big dollop to that level.

The nice nice approach doesn't work with everyone. Truthfully I've tried that to a much greater degree a while back but that was getting nasty responses so with certain people..I use a different tactic..especially when I see bullshit like she said.




LadyNTrainer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:36:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
Do you need a tissue? Poor soul. You have it so rough...Let's do a chant together..Dicks go away..DICKS go away...DICKS GO AWAY!

Now click your heals and suck it up, buttercup.


Some people may find this experiment interesting and enlightening, or even helpful to them personally to better understand a female perspective.  Other people may decide to snark or whine or criticize or tell me that I shouldn't feel the way I feel.  I am simply being honest and informative about my personal experience and how it actually feels to me to be socially ignored while being sexually pursued.  Personally I don't think it feels good. 

My experience and how I feel about it is far from unique or strange or different.  It may be the single most common perspective that I hear from other women who have been on adult sites.  If you think it's ridiculous for anyone to feel this way, you're not just invalidating my perspective, you're doing it to a rather large number of women who have had the same experience.

I have no problem setting my own boundaries when I don't enjoy something.  One of those boundaries was that I got so freaking tired of being socially ignored while being sexually pursued that I quit having a social profile on A/S/L sites.  I don't enjoy it, and I did finally end up responding badly to this particular trigger after several years of dealing with it on a daily basis.  I don't choose to deal with it any more because I know I have already been sensitized. I got very, very tired of this shit a long time ago, and it doesn't take much more of it to annoy me these days.  That was part of my honest disclosure when I offered to help Peon with his experiment. 

Out of curiosity, why do you seem to have a problem with how other people feel and where they set their personal boundaries?




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:41:44 AM)

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Out of curiosity, why do you seem to have a problem with how other people feel and where they set their personal boundaries?

What I guess I have a problem with is someone whining from my point of view or people that in my mind are supposed to be of strong minds letting things like that get to them..


Why does it seem to be solely a female issue? Have you ever heard a man say anything like that? Why can't you change your outlook to a position of acceptance that this is going to happen so why worry about it?




LadyNTrainer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:45:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer
Hey, I thought the deal was that you weren't going to look at it? 


Morbid curiosity, and to get rid of the big red button while I was working on the profile.  I expect I'll get sick of it sooner rather than later and let you sift the dreck on your own.

It is interesting how we seem to have attracted at least one persistent troll who seems quite angry at the idea of women being honest about their personal feelings and experiences on an adult site.  I do have to wonder why he is taking it so personally that he feels he must make repetitive mocking posts on the subject.




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:47:51 AM)

I told you...because you are whining and have let someone dictate how you are going to act...Big Bad Dominant that you are.




Twoshoes -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 11:55:27 AM)

Hey, I want to be loved for my mind too!
(Disclaimer: This could be linked to my even ring/index finger ratio.)

I also find being pursued by men/women flattering, but that's just me. [:D]




LadyNTrainer -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 12:17:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Icarys
What I guess I have a problem with is someone whining from my point of view or people that in my mind are supposed to be of strong minds letting things like that get to them.


I'll be sure to let folks know if I have the irresistible impulse to slit my wrists or jump off a bridge.  [8|]


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Why does it seem to be solely a female issue? Have you ever heard a man say anything like that?


If you don't actually understand why it's a female issue, you're a bit dense.


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Why can't you change your outlook to a position of acceptance that this is going to happen so why worry about it?


Why can't you stop being annoyed by anyone at all, and just clasp hands with them and sing "Kum Bay Ya"?

If someone treats you in a way that makes it clear they are ignoring your wishes and anything you have to say while they are trying to get something from you, the healthy and appropriate human response is to be annoyed with them.   This is true whether we're talking about telemarketers, Nigerian scammers, or people soliciting sex or kink.  Are you saying that we should not be annoyed at people who ignore us socially while soliciting us?  Kind of makes it hard to hang up on telemarketers if so.

I'm not talking about a woman overreacting to simply being asked for sex or kink by someone who is actually replying in a reasonably relevant fashion to her communication that she is open to being asked for sex or kink.  That's a two-way dialogue.  Telemarketers, scammers and anyone who solicits anything (sexual or otherwise) for personal gain while ignoring someone socially are not engaged in a two-way dialogue.  They are doing something annoying, and getting angry at this kind of behavior is a normal and healthy response.  It's also a human response.




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 12:26:51 PM)

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Why can't you stop being annoyed by anyone at all, and just clasp hands with them and sing "Kum Bay Ya"?


I've got a pretty good handle on that..How about you?

You said earlier that I was taking something personal..How could you tell that?[8|]




Icarys -> RE: The need to be rude?!? (10/8/2010 12:29:23 PM)

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Telemarketers, scammers and anyone who solicits anything (sexual or otherwise) for personal gain while ignoring someone socially are not engaged in a two-way dialogue.

Where did telemarketers come into this? Oh about the time you decided to use the most extreme example to gain leverage in a debate because your positions was less than logical.




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